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Solufeed 2:1:4 and Solufeed Sodium Free TEC or Solufeed Coir TEC Combination
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Cazza
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Lincs Planter
Member
Thanks @Happi much appreciated due to start the system up after I've had time to nip to Aquarium Gardens and collect plants. Will be running quite high CO2 for the first three or four weeks and then slowly drop it back down. So dose the above three days out of every six and then water change on the 7th?
Cheers
Cheers
Lincs Planter
Member
Is it best to split these into smaller doses and dose every day or to split the macro and micro or doesn't it make any difference?
jaisol
Member
A similar dry fertilizer to solufeed 2-1-4 is elixier garden supplies high-potassium-fertiliser, Cheaper .. and available on ebay, the declarations read the same
elixirgardensupplies.co.uk
High-potassium-fertiliser
solufeed 2-1-4
Bumper Crop High Potassium Fertiliser | N.P.K: 15-5-30+3Mg |
Bumper Crop High Potassium Fertiliser | 700g-20kg Weights Available | Perfect for Fruiting & Flowering Plants.
elixirgardensupplies.co.uk
High-potassium-fertiliser
| Total nitrogen (N) | 15.0 |
| Nitrate nitrogen (N) | 8.1 |
| Ammoniacal nitrogen (N) | – |
| Ureic nitrogen (N) | 7.0 |
| Phosphorus pentoxide (P2O5) | 6.9(P:3.0) |
| Potassium oxide (K2O) | 32.0(K:26.5) |
| Magnesium oxide (MgO) | 3.0(Mg:1.9) |
| Boron (as polyborate) | 0.021% |
| Copper (as EDTA) | 0.010% |
| Iron (as EDTA) | 0.175% |
| Manganese (as EDTA) | 0.060% |
| Molybdenum (as molybdate) | 0.005 |
| Zinc(as EDTA) | 0.075 |
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Nutrient
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[/th]| Nutrient | Content (%) |
| Total nitrogen (N) | 15.0 |
| Nitrate nitrogen (N) | 8.1 |
| Ammoniacal nitrogen (N) | - |
| Ureic nitrogen (N) | 7.0 |
| Phosphorus pentoxide (P2O5) | 6.9 (P:3.0) |
| Potassium oxide (K2O) | 32.0 (K:26.5) |
| Magnesium oxide (MgO) | 3.0 (Mg: 1.9) |
| Boron (as polyborate) | 0.021 |
| Copper (as EDTA) | 0.010 |
| Iron (as EDTA) | 0.175 |
| Manganese (as EDTA) | 0.060 |
| Molybdenum (as molybdate) | 0.005 |
| Zinc (as EDTA) | 0.075 |
| Calculated EC at 1 gram per litre | 1.1475 mS |
Hi,
Presumably 412 never gets a mention because of the high Urea and low Nitrate content but I can't help wondering if it may or may not be a better option for daily lean dosing in a soft water CO2 injected tank, I wouldn't really want a ratio of 1-2 Nitrogen-Potassium although I know people are having great success using the 214. Possibly better still, what about a 50-50 mixture of 214 and 412?
I have been curious to ask this since the threads inception and I'm interested in peoples views/input.
Attached are the two products composition sheets for comparison.
Cheers!
Presumably 412 never gets a mention because of the high Urea and low Nitrate content but I can't help wondering if it may or may not be a better option for daily lean dosing in a soft water CO2 injected tank, I wouldn't really want a ratio of 1-2 Nitrogen-Potassium although I know people are having great success using the 214. Possibly better still, what about a 50-50 mixture of 214 and 412?
I have been curious to ask this since the threads inception and I'm interested in peoples views/input.
Attached are the two products composition sheets for comparison.
Cheers!
Hi all,
I also felt that the 2 : 1 : 4 formulation was more widely applicable to people, including those people who had <"fish tanks with plants">, rather than <"planted tanks with fish">.
cheers Darrel
I think it might be a better option, I know @Zeus. has regularly microdosed urea (CO(NH2)2) without any issue.
I'm pretty sure <"some plants will do much better"> with more urea. I'd guess it is the <"Orchid / Tomato dichotomy"> and somewhere there maybe a happy medium <"where both will grow">.
That was what initially <"put me off">. When I didn't have any livestock <"I used Miracle Gro">, and the plants did really well.
I also felt that the 2 : 1 : 4 formulation was more widely applicable to people, including those people who had <"fish tanks with plants">, rather than <"planted tanks with fish">.
I thought the fish might supply some fixed nitrogen and if they used tap water as well it could be a "triple whammy" of nitrogen.
cheers Darrel
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A similar dry fertilizer to solufeed 2-1-4 is elixier garden supplies high-potassium-fertiliser, Cheaper .. and available on ebay, the declarations read the same
Bumper Crop High Potassium Fertiliser | N.P.K: 15-5-30+3Mg |
Bumper Crop High Potassium Fertiliser | 700g-20kg Weights Available | Perfect for Fruiting & Flowering Plants.
High-potassium-fertiliser
Total nitrogen (N) 15.0 Nitrate nitrogen (N) 8.1 Ammoniacal nitrogen (N) – Ureic nitrogen (N) 7.0 Phosphorus pentoxide (P2O5) 6.9(P:3.0) Potassium oxide (K2O) 32.0(K:26.5) Magnesium oxide (MgO) 3.0(Mg:1.9) Boron (as polyborate) 0.021% Copper (as EDTA) 0.010% Iron (as EDTA) 0.175% Manganese (as EDTA) 0.060% Molybdenum (as molybdate) 0.005 Zinc(as EDTA) 0.075
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solufeed 2-1-4
Nutrient Content (%) Total nitrogen (N) 15.0 Nitrate nitrogen (N) 8.1 Ammoniacal nitrogen (N) - Ureic nitrogen (N) 7.0 Phosphorus pentoxide (P2O5) 6.9 (P:3.0) Potassium oxide (K2O) 32.0 (K:26.5) Magnesium oxide (MgO) 3.0 (Mg: 1.9) Boron (as polyborate) 0.021 Copper (as EDTA) 0.010 Iron (as EDTA) 0.175 Manganese (as EDTA) 0.060 Molybdenum (as molybdate) 0.005 Zinc (as EDTA) 0.075 Calculated EC at 1 gram per litre 1.1475 mS
Just for comparison:
as you can see why I choose to Mix one or the other, #4 and #5 are likely your best options, #4 and #5 can be used in both soft or hard water but #5 will be superior due to its DTPA Fe Chelation, especially for hard water.
Recipe for #3 in case
SplantedTanx
New Member
I have just about depleted my current fertilizer and noticed this easy Mix via @Happi and I would really like to try it out. I am going to order Solufeed Coir Tek and the 2:1:4 as listed. I will go for the #5 option and come back to you all with the results. I have a 200ltr fully planted tank and I will be micro dosing daily. I keep lots of nano fish so I am just checking up here to see if the Solufeed 214 and Coir Tek will be fine for these little nano fish I keep ? As I have noticed the Urea in it etc. My water parameters is basically the same as @bazz
Thanks all 😉
Thanks all 😉
I've read all 9 pages and am non the wiser on this 🙁
So i understand theres a couple of products that can make an all in one solution. But which recipe is right and what is it based on?
I'm looking to move from the dry ferts i've been using for years as they are becoming increasinlgy hard to come by.
Could anyone summarise this for me?
Yours,
A complete numpty.
So i understand theres a couple of products that can make an all in one solution. But which recipe is right and what is it based on?
I'm looking to move from the dry ferts i've been using for years as they are becoming increasinlgy hard to come by.
Could anyone summarise this for me?
Yours,
A complete numpty.
Hi all,
Commercial fertilisers aren't like aquarium ones, they have a quantifiable end result (a crop yield) and a bottom line.
Starting from a mix is less fully customisable than using "dry compounds", but we know that Solufeed "works" because it is a commercial mix designed for horticulture. If it didn't "work"?, or wasn't cost effective? The "Solufeed" manufacturer would have become insolvent long ago.
cheers Darrel
Yes.
So @Happi used his extensive knowledge of nutrient solutions to produce a mix of the two solufeed products that closely replicated an "ideal" ratio of plant nutrients.
Commercial fertilisers aren't like aquarium ones, they have a quantifiable end result (a crop yield) and a bottom line.
Starting from a mix is less fully customisable than using "dry compounds", but we know that Solufeed "works" because it is a commercial mix designed for horticulture. If it didn't "work"?, or wasn't cost effective? The "Solufeed" manufacturer would have become insolvent long ago.
All you need to do is follow the recipe, and just change the volume of solution added dependent upon the size of your tank, so 10 ml for a 90 litre tank etc. You can dose a set amount (lean dose or EI etc.) or use the <"Duckweed Index">, it is infinitely flexible.
cheers Darrel
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It depends. I have a non-co2 tank with moderate light and I decided that I am targeting 7.5ppm no3 using Solufeed 2.1.4 and targeting 0.5ppm Fe using Solufeed Sodium-free Trace Elements Chelated ('TEC'). I find that that, plus patience, supports an awful lot of plant growth.
The IFC is invaluable for working out how many grams of product to use in mixing your fertiliser to achieve your target no3 and fe.
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but iron deficiency does not appear in floating plants, you cause something to accumulate, this can result in a negative result
Yes, the plants are doing ok for iron.
To reduce the chance of a negative result from accumulation I do weekly water changes, about 50% of tank volume, although I do miss a week every now and then...
As well as potential Fe accumulation there is also N, P, K accumulation which is why I don't dose EI levels of fertiliser... or looking again at Happi's recipe maybe I do ?? 😂
To reduce the chance of a negative result from accumulation I do weekly water changes, about 50% of tank volume, although I do miss a week every now and then...
As well as potential Fe accumulation there is also N, P, K accumulation which is why I don't dose EI levels of fertiliser... or looking again at Happi's recipe maybe I do ?? 😂
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Thanks Darrel. So no need to take into account water reports or add additional chemicals like some recipes here? Incidentally, I water change with RODI water and do not add any remineralization salts on the basis that I'm adding enough magnesium in my weekly ferts and my Seriu stone gives off plenty of calcium
In your water company's water report it gives the range of parameters over the year, so if you take the lowest value over the year stick it in the IFC and your tap and RO water volumes it will take it all into account and adjust to suit. Only issue you might have using an AOI salt mix is you cant reduce individual salts as easy - dependant on if your just using Solufeeds AIO and trace mix
I ordered all the bits I need to make Happi's Solufeed recipe this morning. I priced up the ingredients for the 3x weekly dose I need for EI dosing.
TNC Complete: £2.40
TNC replacement: £2.01
2:1:4/TEC S-F: 59p
I was going to go with the TNC replacement, but my parsimonious self made the final decision.
TNC Complete: £2.40
TNC replacement: £2.01
2:1:4/TEC S-F: 59p
I was going to go with the TNC replacement, but my parsimonious self made the final decision.
I don't see any major issues with accumulation if you are within that 7.5 ppm NO3 range but 0.5 ppm Fe from "TEC" might be bit on the higher range, but this is your choice and preference. you could also use #5 if Iron is your problem.
if anyone were to use this below, I do not see why they should fail. unless they are doing something wrong, if Iron is the main problem, they can use the #5
in general, this is how the basic Protocol would look like :
This was in response to my 'variegated anubias' leaves. The new ones are now fully green.
Next time I make Micros I might go down to 0.4 and see how that goes. 🙂
