Lean dosing pros and cons

[Happi]

EDIT: there were some Error with this post, talking to Marian to further clarify it.

 

[Happi]

Below is a Clone version of MasterLine All In One Golden there is no way it replaces the original because it is a clone version based on my assumption and it is not the exact formula from the manufacture.

 

[plantnoobdude]

csm+b and kno3 + kh2po4, 3:1 ca:mg ratio, i still use it for lean exept i added iron dtpa

i tried using lean with such chemicals before, did not work well at all, immediate stunting, massive algae issue. hopefully it works for you.

 

[eminor]

i tried using lean with such chemicals before, did not work well at all, immediate stunting, massive algae issue. hopefully it works for you.

i have fluval stratum to backup i think, not stunt at all, grow fast

 

[Happi]

i have fluval stratum to backup i think, not stunt at all, grow fast

eminor, you should share some before and after pictures. this will help me understand better about the plants. adding DTPA Fe to CSM+B will always enhance its effectiveness, same goes if you were to add some MnSo4 to it. Edward the pps guy have used several modifications to make the csm+b better, I have done the same in the past. this could be handy for those who use csm+b or similar product. however, it is still far from being a perfect micro compare to when you make your own from scratch.

Here is my recipe based on same ppm but making it from scratch:
PPS PRO based custom Micro Recipe

Here is Edward's Modified version of CSM+B
Perpetual Preservation System - Nutrient imbalance TE

both provide the same ppm

 

[plantnoobdude]

i have fluval stratum to backup i think, not stunt at all, grow fast

while fluval stratum still leaches ammonia it should be good, but once the effect wears off i suspect you will have issues. if you do run into issues there are more than enough resources in this thread to supplimnt your dosing regime.

 

[eminor]

while fluval stratum still leaches ammonia it should be good, but once the effect wears off i suspect you will have issues. if you do run into issues there are more than enough resources in this thread to supplimnt your dosing regime.

i also use 2hr aquarist way to put osmocote which might help ?

 

[plantnoobdude]

i also use 2hr aquarist way to put osmocote which might help ?

yes it should.

 

[plantnoobdude]

very pleased to report tank is doing well after 3 days of new macros,
currently dosing total 9ppm No3 per week, 2ppm K and 1.2ppm Po4. though keep in mind the tank still has about 40% nutrients from EI. so the real change should occur in the next few weeks.
let me get some pics

much less stunting in wallichii, horribly stunted stems from EI are growing sideshoots.
macrandra issue is getting much better, full fat leaves. and much less stunting, maybe 1 in 20 stems is stunted, previously maybe on stems every 3-4 stems.

greening obvious in tiny tonina shoot.

whole group is getting much better colour with urea aswell, still a bit whitish on camera but better in person. turned down brightness a bit and looks to true to what i see.

cuba still stunting and has that cyano forming on tips. might just trim it to a stump and lt it regrow side shoots at this point.
another pic of macrandra looking fat and juicy

cuphea still making progress, though algae has gotten worse on old leaves, i think it will get better because new leaves look very healthy and algae does not seem to attack healthy leaves.

overall very good improvement for a couple days.

 

[medlight]

eminor, you should share some before and after pictures. this will help me understand better about the plants. adding DTPA Fe to CSM+B will always enhance its effectiveness, same goes if you were to add some MnSo4 to it. Edward the pps guy have used several modifications to make the csm+b better, I have done the same in the past. this could be handy for those who use csm+b or similar product. however, it is still far from being a perfect micro compare to when you make your own from scratch.

Here is my recipe based on same ppm but making it from scratch:
PPS PRO based custom Micro Recipe

Here is Edward's Modified version of CSM+B
Perpetual Preservation System - Nutrient imbalance TE

both provide the same ppm

In the recipe of the post, the Fe provided in the formula is 0.4 when really with those 8.6 grams of dtpa 11% with its dose of 20ml *50 gallons it is 0.2 Fe

 

[Happi]

In the recipe of the post, the Fe provided in the formula is 0.4 when really with those 8.6 grams of dtpa 11% with its dose of 20ml *50 gallons it is 0.2 Fe

the other half comes from Fe Gluconate. also, one recipe is fully chelated while the other one is partially chelated.

 

[medlight]

Below is a Clone version of MasterLine All In One Golden there is no way it replaces the original because it is a clone version based on my assumption and it is not the exact formula from the manufacture.

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= 1,20 mg/l NO3, 0,2 mg/l PO4, 0,75 mg/l K, 0,4 mg/l Mg, 0,09 mg/l Fe)

 

[Happi]

= 1,20 mg/l NO3, 0,2 mg/l PO4, 0,75 mg/l K, 0,4 mg/l Mg, 0,09 mg/l Fe)

sorry what about this???

 

[JacksonL]

@Happi from your experiments, do you have a ratio of micros or a target ppm for each micro nutrient that complimented your lean dosing of macros best?
I am about to embark on making my own micro mix and I’m just about to calculate how much of each salt I will need to buy

 

[Happi]

@Happi from your experiments, do you have a ratio of micros or a target ppm for each micro nutrient that complimented your lean dosing of macros best?
I am about to embark on making my own micro mix and I’m just about to calculate how much of each salt I will need to buy

I normally use tenso cocktail clone recipe targeting 0.1 ppm Fe weekly, the macro will work with this weather you add 1 or 3 ppm N weekly, the idea is to supply enough but not excessive, those ppm such as 0.1 ppm Fe, 0.067 ppm Mn are sufficient, I would only recommend a higher doses if the water parameters are not the best. Some people worry about the copper, if you feel that the copper might be too high, you can target 0.01 ppm Cu weekly, this is sufficient. As I already mentioned earlier, you can fully modify any of the recipes from the list to your liking.

Fe and Mn is where you will spend most of your money every few years, other chemicals will last you for life.

 

[erwin123]

i also use 2hr aquarist way to put osmocote which might help ?

just wondering since you are in France - did you manage to find Osmocote or is the Dutch equivalent plantacote available in garden stores in your country? Product Range | PLANTACOTE

 

[Happi]

few more shots from the experiments under different settings, some picture are showing good, bad, mixed growth, also plant with leaf damages.

 

[medlight]

mg masterline oro

 

[Happi]

when things gets worse

 

[Happi]

mg masterline oro

am not sure if mine is correct or their is correct, but based on the calculation and whatever is written on the bottle, mine should be correct.