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Dymax Tropical 36 watt

Hi Clive and members
I know it s not the wright place to talk about this because we are in light section but as we started to talk about this on this thread I think it's better to continue here.
So first more than a week ago switched the outlet from right back corner to left front corner p, pointing toward the left front corner. This was done for better flow on the lower front part.
After a week I have noticed a great improvement on the HC starting to shoot new bright green leaves.
But I wasn't happy about the flow, and I started notice some hair algae at the back that was just starting.
So two days ago I decided to take out the Lilly pipe and switch to the spray bar. I know I know Clive it took me some time to switch. But I wanted to experiment my self first before taking that step haha. Now since two day riccia start to pearl yeeeaaah hehe
I have also crank up a bit the CO2. Now I am waiting the in line atomizer I have order yesterday. For waiting I have put the inside diffuser on the front glass.
Now flow is much better and I will follow the evolutions with that change and let you know.

Ok I have two questions
I have finish my flourish comprehensive and I need to make a micro solution with my dry trace mix. But I am not sure about the quantity could you help me with that please. The mix is coming from a French web site.
As I have two tank if you could give me for both it would be great

First one is the 23 G tank
Second is the 70 G tank.

My other question is about the DIY 4KH solution. I have followed your recipe with backing soda. But once I have put the ph reactor, the solution turned yellow, almost orange and since than it stayed in this color ! Even if I hang the drop checker out side of the tank !
U have used bicarbonate de soude in french is it this that I have to use ?

Here is a side view of the 23 G tank. As you can see HC was not doing good. I have took this pic before changing the outlet. I wanted to share this pic because I like it lol.
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Thanks for you your time
Cheers


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Hi,
it's seems that no one want to answer me lol
I have an other question/issue :
I have Amazonia soil from ADA there but it's the normal form not the powder type, and my HC have a lot of problem to get the roots attached to the substrate. It s really tricky to trim it because as soon as you touch it it wants to up roots. And now because of this I this all the new shoots are growing away from the substrate and its not really carpeting.
If someone can help me with that problem it could be nice !!
I know that the best way would be to up root every thing and plant it again but that is a long and hard process lol so maybe someone have a better idea.

My other problems are just on the above post if some could answer it, it would be great !!!
thanks guys

Zanguli
 
zanguli-ya-zamba said:
I have finish my flourish comprehensive and I need to make a micro solution with my dry trace mix. But I am not sure about the quantity could you help me with that please. The mix is coming from a French web site. As I have two tank if you could give me for both it would be great First one is the 23 G tank Second is the 70 G tank.
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Hi zanguli,
Trace mixes are not that difficult to figure out. Just start with the standard solution given in the EI Tutorial:
add ½ teaspoon to 200 ml of water and dose 25 ml (for each 20G) two times per week.
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So the small tank get 25 ml 2X per week and the big one gets 75ml 2X per week. To make the solution last longer just scale everything. You can add twice as much powder and dose 1/2 the amount or add twice as much powder to twice as much water and dose the same amount.

zanguli-ya-zamba said:
My other question is about the DIY 4KH solution. I have followed your recipe with backing soda. But once I have put the ph reactor, the solution turned yellow, almost orange and since than it stayed in this color ! Even if I hang the drop checker out side of the tank ! U have used bicarbonate de soude in french is it this that I have to use ?
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Hmm, I'm not really sure about this mate. Even in French it should have a chemical formula NaHCO3
If it's some other product it may have some acids in it which would explain the yellow color. Take a sample of the mixture you made and measure the KH if you have a test kit to see if it is actually 4.

Does it turn back to blue if left outside the tank for a while?

zanguli-ya-zamba said:
I know that the best way would be to up root every thing and plant it again but that is a long and hard process lol so maybe someone have a better idea.
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You could just bury the HC by putting more sediment on top of it and let it grow out again. That's a very crude method though.

Cheers,
 
Hi Clive ,

Thanks for your answer mate !!!
yes yesterday when i came back from work I went on the tutorial and did the solution according to the tutorial I will just double the dose of powder like that I just dose 1/2 it will be easier !!! So that's good .
I will stay to that amount for few weeks because I made a big pruning in the tank and took out significant biomass !! So even my macros that was 1,3 x EI dosing i will reduce to 1x EI (for the 70 G tank). For the 23 G i stick EI.

Yes Bicarbonate de soude is NaHCO3 !!
Even if i leave the solution for two days outside the tank it stays yellow !!! I will redo the all recipe, maybe I made a mistake somewhere !!! I don't have a Kh test kit only Gh.

For the HC that's a great idea !! even if it's a crude methode but it will be efficient, i will do that on thursday because I have to take out the wood to retied the moss on it !!
I had put cotton thread instead of fishing line !!! So now I know that cotton thread is not really good for that lol. Than I take some substrate put it on top and after that 70% WC.


Tell me have you read "the guide to dosing strategies" from Greg Watson ?? i buy it yesterday night !!! I ll read it on monday cause I have to on the river for the week end !!
it's a good reading ?

Well thanks for you answer and explanation !!!!!!
cheers mate
 
Hi
I have done again the whole recipe with the backing soda for a 4kh recipe and it didn't work ! So I think that my backing soda is not good quality or they have not done it the good way lol. I will look for a better quality !

Cheers


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zanguli, maybe there is something wrong with your ph reagent. Are you sure it's OK? Sorry this doesn't seem to be working.

Cheers,
 
i HAVE 2 bottle of ADA reagent and to be sure what I have done. like i have two tank i did one drop checker with my first bottle of reagent (it was allready open) and for the second one I opened the new bottle. I have even made the test after with tank water and it was ok (changing color). So I don't think it's the reagent but the backing soda I have both in a congolese drugstore !!!

thanks for answering
regards
 
Hi Clive and members
Do you think I should take out my JBL Symec that is in my filter for a better flow.
I am starting to think that I don't need in for 24/7 like I do !!
Just for info u have it also in the two filter of the other tank.
So should I take it out and put it back only when I have cloudy water or when I have to take pictures of the tank ??

Best regards guys
Just to tell, so far I love my journey on this forum since I signed in !!!
 
Hi zanguli,
Yes, sure, just remove it and get as much flow as you can from the filter. Do bigger water changes and that will help make the tank look clearer.

Cheers,
 
Hi ,
Yesterday night I understood what is the problem with the recipe for the 4 dKH solution. The recipe is good the problem is the distilled water !!! It's a local production and they produce at the same place acid for battery. So the bottles they use have a small amount of acid in and and add distilled water ! So the ph of that water is very acid. The ph meter was showing 0,00 !! So now I understand my yellow DC and also why I have precipitation in my micro solution !!
Do you think I should do the 4dKH solution with my tap water. Tap water have a dGH under 1 but I don't have a dKH test so I don't know this one. And for the micro solution can I do it with tap water also ??
Aaaaaah it's good to find what was this problem. Do you think it was "killing" my micro solution ???

Thanks
Cheers
 
Wow, zanguli, if I didn't know any better, I would say that you were dreaming all of this. Are they selling this distilled water for people to drink? Please say "No" even if it's not the truth. That way I'll be able to sleep better at night.:yuck:

There is no way you can accurately use your tap water directly, even if it is soft, because you would need to know exactly what the KH of the water is, and then you would have to adjust the amount of Baking powder to bring the KH up to 4. It could be possible to boil the water but it is not certain that you would remove all the alkalinity by doing so. If you are lucky, the water from the tap is exactly 4 and you might be able to use it, but you have not been very lucky so far...

The only way I can think of is to boil and condense your water. So you would heat the water and collect the steam with covers and tubing. Then route the steam to another vessel where it will cool and return to liquid. Then that water will be more or less pure.

Alternatively, you might try collecting rain water in a clean plastic container placed in an open area, away from any structure or tree, and use that in your recipe. This would be the easiest way, but it would be the least accurate way.

Cheers,
 
Hi master ,
nooooo they are not giving it to people for drink ahaha :lol:, so you can sleep relax lol !!
well maybe i can look where they produce it and bring my proper container, or i will look if someone is importing distilled water from EU.
I think the boiling technic will be a pain in the *** because it will take ages to get 1,5 L of water in the other vessel lol.
The rain technic will be easy because we are in the rainy season and it's raining every two day, and with the big rain in about 10 min or less in an open space, i can have these 1,5 L.
What about my Micro solution should I throw it away and make a new one with tap water ?

cheers master

Zanguli
 
Hi mate,
Well, it's not really clear to me what is happening to your micro mix. If you have precipitates in the bottle we would need to identify what the precipitate is in order to determine if the mix has been ruined. There are two possible cases:

Case #1
Sometimes, people make up their mix and they do not add enough water, so the powders cannot dissolve completely. When the water cools, the powders fall out of solution because they have a lower solubility at low temperatures than at high temperatures, right? So if this is the case then all you would need to do is to add more water and adjust your dosing to account for the extra water in the mix.

Case #2
If the precipitates are due to some chemical change where the metals in the powder, like Iron or Zinc for example, combines with some other ion in the water, like phosphate or hydroxide, then this is a different story because the precipitate removes the metals from the mix, and therefore lowers the concentration of the nutrient in the mix.

Now get ready for something really crazy!
That acid you were talking about? Well, that's the best thing to add to your micro mix because acid prevents the trace metals from combining with other ions in the water. The acid also kills fungus and mold. It's perfect. Use that same water from the battery acid plant for your micro mix.

Try just adding twice as much water to your micro mix to see if the precipitates go back into solution, and see if they stay in solution the next day. If they disappeared then all is well, and just change the amount you dose to coincide with the amount of water you added. So if your original mix was 250 ml and you were going to dose 40ml, then if you added an extra 250ml to make the powders dissolve, you should change the dosing to 80ml.

If the precipitates do not dissolve then that means you had Case #2 and you should throw it away.

Cheers,
 
Thanks for the explanation,
well my micro mix is base on the EI tutorial, but i have put 2 time the dose of trace mix in the same amount of water advice in the tutorial. I have done that because like that I can just dose half of the recommended dosing !! ( 12,5 ml instead of 25 ml for each 20G of water). Maybe that why.
The precipitation are white in color and it's glue on the bottom of the bottle. If you shake very vigorously the bottle it's going out of the surface of the bottle in small pieces not in powder.
you can see small square of 0,5 cm2 flowing in the bottle after, i don't know if i made my self clear loool :facepalm:
Well that's right about the acid in the micro mix, because in the all in one solution you have to add acid to be sure that PO4 will note react with iron and create a reaction of precipitation.
I had totaly frogot that think, because I was doing macro and a micro solution, and now I do dry dosing , Only do a micro solution.
Do you think that this white precipitation can be because solution is too concentrated ? it's only 2x the dose.

Cheers master
Zanguli
 
Yes, it's definitely a possibility, but you still need to add more water to see if the flakes dissolve. Then you will know for certain.

Anyway, why not just save yourself the trouble and dry dose the micro mix as well? Why make your life so complicated?

Cheers,
 
Ha I was just thinking that in fact I had always had this white precipitation in my micro mix even when I was dosing the amoount that in the EI tutorial !! maybe it's not a good quality ? don't know ! hehe
well lets see when if I add again one liter of water.

thanks again
 
hooooo i din't read all your answer !!! yes it would be much better to dry dose it !!!
what would be the amount for 20 G ??? 1/3 tea spoon or less ? Just need a guide line lol
just to be sure ! when i dry dose my teaspoon are not flat filled I am just picking a spoon like i will do to put my sugar in the tea ! I just want to be consistent lol
is it possible to see a pic of you of a teaspoon with ferts in when you dose please just to see if I am not exaggerating lol

thanks master
 
Hi mate,
Even 1/4 teaspoon will be more than enough. In the EI Tutorial we show the numbers for a 20G and it is 1/16 teaspoon, but this is too small to measure so just use 1/4 teaspoon or less. You can even just pinch some powder between your fingers and add that. It doesn't really matter. That's why they are called "micro" nutrients, and that's why the dosing method is called The "Estimative" Index.

Cheers,
 
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