A noob vs some hardest plants

[erwin123]

maybe i have the nesae golden ?

it looks like the emersed form of nesea golden on the Dennerle website, but after 1 month in your tank under high CO2 and high light, it should have converted to submersed form already. maybe you can take another pic and post a plant ID request for the experts to help....

 

[dw1305]

Hi all,

I saw a vid that said what is called Rotala rotundifolia is really R. indica. Its named because EMERSED GROWTH has round leaves. What's in the photo is what I have also,what the video called the TRUE Rotala indica..it makes round leaves underwater. I've growing this plant underwater for a couple of years.

You need them to flower <"for a definitive ID">. You may be able to grow them outside? Where I'm pretty sure they will flower for you.

We have a <"couple of threads"> on Rotala spp. naming.

This is <"Rotala indica"> (syn. Rotala "bonzai", Ammania "bonzai") - courtesy of @SRP3006



and this is <"Rotala rotundifolia"> courtesy of @Kezzab .



cheers Darrel

 

[eminor]

hi, rotala walichii, palustris cuba, myriophyllum mato... are in the tank, i increased the light, even the tuberculatum is pearling !!!

After a single day, there is new growth on every plant, looks good...

2 t5ho @ 20cm above the water, that's high light, i live risky but my co2 and distribution is near perfect right now, but as ceg always tell, always suspect co2 issue, that's what try to do my best, pictures coming soon.

if the tuberculatum is growing, everything will grow in there...

questions :

i have active soil, i want to clean it a bit but i'm afraid that i could remove some "soil active organic things", do you think i can ?

i use inline atomizer, i tried it on the outlet, there is so many bubbles looks like champagne, i even tried to put it on the in, same, how could i reduce the bubbles effect ? thx

 

[erwin123]

hi, rotala walichii, palustris cuba, myriophyllum mato... are in the tank, i increased the light, even the tuberculatum is pearling !!!

After a single day, there is new growth on every plant, looks good...

2 t5ho @ 20cm above the water, that's high light, i live risky but my co2 and distribution is near perfect right now, but as ceg always tell, always suspect co2 issue, that's what try to do my best, pictures coming soon.

if the tuberculatum is growing, everything will grow in there...

questions :

i have active soil, i want to clean it a bit but i'm afraid that i could remove some "soil active organic things", do you think i can ?

i use inline atomizer, i tried it on the outlet, there is so many bubbles looks like champagne, i even tried to put it on the in, same, how could i reduce the bubbles effect ? thx

Thats great to hear your Tuberculatum is growing... hope you can make it turn from reddish brown to red! Don't forget to post photos.

Since you always had 2 x T5HO, how did you increase your light? By changing to a new bulb or something else?

My CO2 to my inline atomiser is only 1.5 bubbles per second, so the amount of visible bubbles in my tank is not much. I keep my drop checker colour green. I guess your drop checker is yellow if you have that many bubbles in your tank? If you have a lot of CO2, just be careful if you have shrimp clean up crew in your tank.

 

[eminor]

Thats great to hear your Tuberculatum is growing... hope you can make it turn from reddish brown to red! Don't forget to post photos.

Since you always had 2 x T5HO, how did you increase your light? By changing to a new bulb or something else?

My CO2 to my inline atomiser is only 1.5 bubbles per second, so the amount of visible bubbles in my tank is not much. I keep my drop checker colour green. I guess your drop checker is yellow if you have that many bubbles in your tank? If you have a lot of CO2, just be careful if you have shrimp clean up crew in your tank.

i adjust the height of the fixture, from 30cm to 15cm, it increase the PAR

well yes my drop checker turn yellow but shrimp are okay, there is a lot of surface agitation

 

[erwin123]

thats great, look forward to seeing the photos, especially the new leaves on your Tuberculatum? presume its turning red already with all the CO2 and light. I've been trying to turn Wallichii pink but maybe my lighting is not bright enough. I prefer to keep my drop checker Green/Lime-green rather than yellow, so I hope its the light rather than CO2 than turns plants red/pink 😅

 

[eminor]

some updates, light is really strong there, i think there is more than 150 par, plant are growing fine, i changed the scape, that's kind it's final form, i also changed the background to black

You can see prospernica palustris cuba which is growing really fast and the color is incredible, such a beautifull plant.

The CO2 is insane in there, drop checker yellow, if i increase a bit, the shrimps are gonna die, they did few weeks ago 🙁 it's a sweet spot, no sign of stress, i know how it looks now, i learned it the bad way. i also have a lot of surface agitation now, i use way more co2 but i think it worth it

i know that plant don't need lot of light to grow but i think they need lot to get good color, or i could limit nitrogen but it will be too risky right now



new leaves after only 2 days...


welcome to the rotala walichii !! twice the size in 2 days... the plant is pink that's great




tuberculatum is still the hardest but new leaves are really red, on the left, the pogostemon erectus have a lot of new growth but it's slow...


new ludwiga arcuata in vitro, i know that's a background plant but i want to try something there


new ludwiga brevipes which looks like arcuata but thinner

myriophyllum mato to help against algae mixed with myriophyllum brasiliensis, the mato is growing at least 4 cm a day... furcata is behind, you also kind see limnophila hippuroides in vitro behind


look how bushy the h'ra become behind =)

 

[plantnoobdude]

very good growth. looks nice.

 

[erwin123]

good growth, look forward to seeing your next photo update to see how much they've grown.

if your Wallichii turns pink and your 'H'ra' stays green despite 150 PAR, I'm sort of suspecting that its Rotala Green, not H'ra.

 

[eminor]

good growth, look forward to seeing your next photo update to see how much they've grown.

if your Wallichii turns pink and your 'H'ra' stays green despite 150 PAR, I'm sort of suspecting that its Rotala Green, not H'ra.

since i increased the light, the color start to change, a bit of orange/red in it

 

[eminor]

i'm gonna switch from EI to lean dosing, i had better results back then, coloration with lean dosing is way better

 

[eminor]

hey, here's some news,

i improved the co2 to the next level (for my skill), lot of surface agitation, and of course alot of co2, by doing that i can really inject a lot of co2. i reduced the temperature to 22°c to improve O2 and to get a larger error room. sorry for the blurry pictures.

I use my diy led fixture because I can control the light, i only use 30% of it ( 180 led 5630, cri 97, 40w with 60° lenses) there is way more light than the two t5ho righ now, insane...
at 100% it looks like there is the sun above the tank, but i'm not that crazy =) since i switched to led, every single plant are pearling like crazy...

the limnophila hippuroide takes forever to take it's sumbersed form, they are so tiny in vitro thought, but it's really slow so far

here's the myriophyllum tuberculatum, there was some staghorn of it, i fixed it, it grows really great now =)



the myriophyllum red stem was really not good, now it's growing like weed, the myriophyllum montagrossens which is just behind is a temporary plant, i use it as an algae fighter, as soon as the red stem is large enough i'm gonna remove the other. the montagrossense is growing so fast, i need to trim it every 4 days



the pogostemon erectus start to grow !! you can see the rotala orange juice which i trimmed, some are getting orange =)


here's the ludwiga brevipes



the prospernica palustris cuba which i trimmed, it grows fast


behind, the rotala h'ra i think which turn yellow, it's getting bushy, yhe pinnatifada on the left of the picture is getting big

and the beautifull rotala walichii which is growing fast, i trimmed it actually, the longest stem is 2 weeks old i think...


the cuba is okay




the arcuata is growing

 

[erwin123]

Hey Eminor, its been 2 weeks since your last update. Please share updated photos here and in the lean dosing thread: Lean dosing pros and cons

Plantnoobdude has a similar type of tank so you can compare results of different lean dosing recipes.

 

[eminor]

Hey Eminor, its been 2 weeks since your last update. Please share updated photos here and in the lean dosing thread: Lean dosing pros and cons

Plantnoobdude has a similar type of tank so you can compare results of different lean dosing recipes.

hey, it's coming tomorrow =)

 

[erwin123]

hey, it's coming tomorrow =)

thats great, look forward to seeing the photos!

 

[eminor]

hi, here's the update, some plant had hard time to swith to lean dosing, i also fixed my unstable co2, needle valve was the issue, now it's stable, no more bba or else so far. keep in mind that i trimmed a lot, to get bushier aspect of plants, so you could think that the growth is slow which is true for tuberculatum actually but for other plant they grow really fast =)

pogostemon erectus finally kicks in !!! looks greats, there's algae on the emersed part of it though, staghorn i think for long time, in front there is ludwigia arcuata which i trimmed


here's the rotala macandra which i bought so cheap, the plant is almost dead actually, i had it like that, there is bubble on it which is a good sign =) do someone know which variety it could be ?


i trimmed pinnatifada which grow like weed


i trimmed also the palustis cuba, she's loving the tank actually


walichii is okay, i trimmed it to get some stem




myriophyllum is growing like weed really, i need to trim it every few days, behind you can see the limnophila hippuroide which finally growing !!

i trimmed the cuba, she's fine


rotala orange juice getting her colors =)


the rotala which i think is h'ra or colora is growing so fast that it need to be trimmed every weeks

 

[erwin123]

Thanks for the update. If you have 150+par your Wallichii , Tuberculatum and Palustris Cuba should have turned red already.

Actually Wallichii doesn't need that much light to turn pink/red, so I'm wondering if it has anything to do with your lean dosing, because the Wallichii looks rather narrow - if you give it sufficient light/nutrition/CO2, it should be wider.

Your Macrandra (looks like Macrandra Green) should be turning a nice golden yellow soon as well - this is the photo from Libba's journal:

https://www.ukaps.org/forum/attachments/20211126_145239-jpg.177744/

Libba's 60P

What colour is the dc going? In this picture from 1st October it looks yellow/clear. Might be an idea to get the tank and co2 stable before adding any more critters. Thanks.

www.ukaps.org

 

[eminor]

Thanks for the update. If you have 150+par your Wallichii , Tuberculatum and Palustris Cuba should have turned red already.

Actually Wallichii doesn't need that much light to turn pink/red, so I'm wondering if it has anything to do with your lean dosing, because the Wallichii looks rather narrow - if you give it sufficient light/nutrition/CO2, it should be wider.

Your Macrandra (looks like Macrandra Green) should be turning a nice golden yellow soon as well - this is the photo from Libba's journal:

https://www.ukaps.org/forum/attachments/20211126_145239-jpg.177744/

Libba's 60P

What colour is the dc going? In this picture from 1st October it looks yellow/clear. Might be an idea to get the tank and co2 stable before adding any more critters. Thanks.

www.ukaps.org

well i reduced the light a bit because algae but i fixed it so i increased it few days ago, the light can provide enough light to burn plant, i'm going slowly, great the macandra will looks good =)

wallichii is pink but way less than internet pictures, the walichii looks small, i increased the light by 15%, limnophila hippuroide bottom leaves are turning red, the rotala was all green before i increased the light, now there are few leaves that turn pink/red, it might works, we'll see

 

[eminor]

here's the update,

if i have not enough PAR in there i don't know what i need to do, 2 * 24w t5ho on the top of a 12 inch height tank (15gallons), even without any reflector i'm at least at 100+ PAR, i have reflector, according to rotala butterfly calculator i'm 300+, don't know how reliable it is, PAR meter is not cheap

hemianthus cuba is growing nicely i think

• ludwigia sp red is really really red, way more than in pictures actually
• i finally able to grow myriophyllum red stem
• the tuberculatum is back in there, new leaves looks good, i'll put some extra diy iron clay near the roots
• the limnophila hippuroides are in a really good shape, nice color etc
• the walichii which was in bad shape because i reduced the light for few times, but on the picture you can see the new stem looks kind of good i think
• the arcuata is way too long to grown it supposed to be a fast growing plant 🙁

the warm color tone tank is the low tech tank without heater of filter, just the soil which i made myself, i mixed blond peat, french special clay, csm+b, some potassium and little magnesium, i'm supprised that it works so far...

you can see the rotala walichii is good ( keep in mind that the black kind of stunted leaves is old growth that went bad in the other tank)

• the macandra have smaller leaves than high tech but i think she's okay in there
• the myriophyllum red sem is so easy in low tech...
• the tuberculatum grow nice roots, new leaves are okay

 

[erwin123]

nice, I can see most of the plants growing well...
the limnophila hippuroides leaves are purple on the bottom, green at the top, so the top-down photo doesn't show the beautiful purple leaves 🙂

With 300 par, the top parts of the P. Erectus should be turning a golden yellow soon:
How to grow Pogostemon erectus