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Is it bad to mix hot and cold water so I dont use very cold water when I need to top-up?

Just curious if there is anything I need to be aware of. Been using cold water so far to be safe in terms of water quality from tap.
 
From my research, using hot water in water changes comes with potential/additional risks compared to mains direct cold water. As @MrClockOff says, combi boilers are less risky as they don't store the water like a cylinder hot water storage system - thus, copper leaching due to dwell time becomes less of a problem. Copper is a heavy metal and not great for life at high levels, so a good water conditioner that neutralises heavy metals is key to removing that risk. There is also a slight increase in bacteria due to water stored (in cylinders) needing to be kept at the right temperature.

I have a cylinder-based system and have started to use hot water to prevent long heat-up times. This is the methodology I use for the overtly cautious and paranoid like me. 😀
  • Mainly use cold water, with the hot to 'top off' and bring to an acceptable temperate range.
    • This also addresses dissolved oxygen concerns, as hot water holds less than cold.
  • Have a good de-chlorinator that binds heavy metals to make them safer.
 
From my research, using hot water in water changes comes with potential/additional risks compared to mains direct cold water.
Agreed. The EPA clearly discourage people from using the water from the hot water tap for drinking or cooking as the hot water supply may contain unhealthy sediments such as heavy metals.

Copper is a heavy metal and not great for life at high levels, so a good water conditioner that neutralises heavy metals is key to removing that risk.
A dechlorinator or water conditioner will not remove heavy metals - only an RO system or similar will be able to do that. Some conditioners may temporarily bind the metals making them less toxic for a while until they slowly precipitate back into the water.

Is it bad to mix hot and cold water so I dont use very cold water when I need to top-up?
The "Water temperature math" is fairly straight forward. If your tank is 24 C and you change say 25% with 16 C tap water (fairly typical) the resulting temperature will be 24 x 0.75 + 16 x 0.25 = 22 C - if you do it slowly no harm will be done to your livestock - I do that frequently and not as slowly as I probably should. But in your case, for just topping off, assuming that would be say 5-10% or so... again assuming your tank temp is 24 that would only impose a 0.4 - 0.8 C drop if your tap water is 16 C.

Cheers,
Michael
 
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Agreed. The EPA clearly discourage people from using the water from the hot water tap for drinking or cooking as the hot water supply may contain unhealthy sediments such as heavy metals.
Interesting that that link still refers to lead. Is lead still in common use for plumbing in the US, or are they referring to legacy/old houses lacking updated plumbing?
 
Interesting that that link still refers to lead. Is lead still in common use for plumbing in the US, or are they referring to legacy/old houses lacking updated plumbing?
In some very populous US States lead piping is still quite common in older houses - an estimated 9 million households rely on lead service lines. Its improving, but slowly.

Cheers,
Michael
 
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A dechlorinator or water conditioner will not remove heavy metals - only an RO system or similar will be able to do that. Some conditioners may temporarily bind the metals making them less toxic for a while until they slowly precipitate back into the water.
That is interesting. I found explanations like the one below, but I assume this is not true?
  • Water conditioners chelate (bind) heavy metals, making them biologically inactive and non-toxic to fish.
  • These bound metals remain in the water but in a form that's not harmful to aquatic life.
  • The metals don't "leach back" into a toxic form under normal aquarium conditions.
  • Some plants can (sometimes) break the chelation bonds and use the metals as nutrients.
 
Interesting . Don't think l have ever had an issue , one address had lead water pipes, think the advice was to run the cold water for 5 minutes. The other houses have and present one the blue "plastic" mains ones, l have always added warm tap water to get desired temperature. I think the conditioners l used probably mainly tetra aqua safe, Aquariun from API have always worked. One shop l visted always had water changes on the go and recommended leaving 24 hrs ,bonus of it also then up to room temperature. Maybe in the past some Utility companys had slightly less standards
 
Hi all,
In some very populous US States lead piping is still quite common in older houses
<"Flint water crisis - Wikipedia">
Is lead still in common use for plumbing in the US, or are they referring to legacy/old houses lacking updated plumbing?
It is because they have <"no effective environmental legislation in USA">, meaning that it is more <"cost effective"> to supply water full of faecal coliforms and heavy metals, rather than <"wasting money"> by actually making the water safe to drink.

cheers Darrel
 
Agreed. The EPA clearly discourage people from using the water from the hot water tap for drinking or cooking as the hot water supply may contain unhealthy sediments such as heavy metals.


A dechlorinator or water conditioner will not remove heavy metals - only an RO system or similar will be able to do that. Some conditioners may temporarily bind the metals making them less toxic for a while until they slowly precipitate back into the water.


The "Water temperature math" is fairly straight forward. If your tank is 24 C and you change say 25% with 16 C tap water (fairly typical) the resulting temperature will be 24 x 0.75 + 16 x 0.25 = 22 C - if you do it slowly no harm will be done to your livestock - I do that frequently and not as slowly as I probably should. But in your case, for just topping off, assuming that would be say 5-10% or so... again assuming your tank temp is 24 that would only impose a 0.4 - 0.8 C drop if your tap water is 16 C.

Cheers,
Michael

My concern isn't the mixed temperature, I usually use a jug for top up and pour it through a sponge so it doesn't disturb the substrate later. Initally pouring it in you can see the denser cold water sink to the bottom and hitting some fish and shrimp, was worried incase it could cause temperature shock to my livestock.

As you mentrioned pouring it slowly would help with this but I've noticed my livestock tend to rush to the area where water is being poured. I assume they think they're getting fed.
 
Hi all,
Water conditioners chelate (bind) heavy metals, making them biologically inactive and non-toxic to fish.
So a water conditioner that contained EDTA could potentially complex lead (Pb++), zinc (Zn++) and copper (Cu++) ions <"Sodium calcium edetate - Wikipedia">. Whether it actually does, or not, will depend on all <"sorts of factors"> & <"https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...chemicals/edetic-acid-background-document.pdf">.
.... For example, iron ions most probably competed strongly with lead for EDTA ligand sites for pH less than 6. In addition, copper and zinc may potentially compete with lead for EDTA ligand sites .....
If I was being entirely cynical about the companies that produce these types of dechlorinators (and <"Heavy Metal Axe (HMA) filters)"> I'd say they can tell you what they like (in the UK). At the moment we just don't have <"detectable levels of heavy metals"> in our tap water, so even <"secret ingredient soup"> works.
These bound metals remain in the water but in a form that's not harmful to aquatic life.
That would be true.
  • The metals don't "leach back" into a toxic form under normal aquarium conditions.
  • Some plants can (sometimes) break the chelation bonds and use the metals as nutrients.
I don't know a definitive answer to either of those questions, lead (Pb) doesn't have any biological function (other than as a poison), but copper (Cu) and zinc (Zn) are both micro-nutrients.

cheers Darrel
 
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It is because they have <"no effective environmental legislation in USA">, meaning that it is more <"cost effective"> to supply water full of faecal coliforms and heavy metals, rather than <"wasting money"> by actually making the water safe to drink.
Main problems is when it comes to drinking water standards in the US, is that some (predominantly low-income) communities, totally lack regular testing and enforcement.

Whether it actually does, or not, will depend on all <"sorts of factors">
Right. If you have elevated levels you really only can get rid of it safely with an RO system or similar.

My concern isn't the mixed temperature, I usually use a jug for top up and pour it through a sponge so it doesn't disturb the substrate later. Initally pouring it in you can see the denser cold water sink to the bottom and hitting some fish and shrimp, was worried incase it could cause temperature shock to my livestock.
Yes, an alternative to just pouring it in, would be to use a larger jug (bucket) and just pre-mix the cold water with some tank water to even out the temperature beforehand.

Cheers,
Michael
 
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I use hot water from the tap to bring my rainwater (stored outside) up to a closer temp (and add some gh), no issues. I dose with prime for the tap chloramine. I only change a bucket full though so pre-mix in a bucket. Mines a combi boiler though, some people will have hot water storage tanks and possibly water softener connected to hot water.

I'm not super careful about exact temps (stick a finger in), my tank runs at 24 and my water change usually brings it to 22/23 (according to heater temp controller) - I pour a jug at a time over a lump of wood and have the filter on to mix as I go. For topping up I just use cold and that drops it similarly if it's down a lot. The heater picks it up again quick through. I'm sure it depends on the fish but it's just corys at the moment and if anything they seem to like it.
 
I use hot water from the tap to bring my rainwater (stored outside) up to a closer temp (and add some gh), no issues. I dose with prime for the tap chloramine. I only change a bucket full though so pre-mix in a bucket. Mines a combi boiler though, some people will have hot water storage tanks and possibly water softener connected to hot water.

I'm not super careful about exact temps (stick a finger in), my tank runs at 24 and my water change usually brings it to 22/23 (according to heater temp controller) - I pour a jug at a time over a lump of wood and have the filter on to mix as I go. For topping up I just use cold and that drops it similarly if it's down a lot. The heater picks it up again quick through. I'm sure it depends on the fish but it's just corys at the moment and if anything they seem to like it.
Right... Looking at shallow natural slow flowing water ways the temperature can vary quite a bit just between banks - depending on whether the water is exposed to sun vs. shade, speed of flow etc. being worried about a +/- ~2 C degree flux is unnecessary - of course in nature the fish can more to warmer or colder waters at will - but I don't think I would ever pay attention to it unless I would impose a much larger flux.

Cheers,
Michael
 
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