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Operation Dorito

Hi Sammy,

It's looking very promising 👌
What are you going to dose in the aquarium?
Thanks, exciting times 😁

I plan on dosing an APT3 clone with extra iron using salts I had left over:

160L Water Volume
1000ml - 40ml dose x6 days a week

7g KNO3
3g KH2PO4
20g K2SO4
20g Solufeed TEC SF
0.8g EDDHA FE
1g E300
1g E202

Which should give me about:
7ppm NO3
3ppm PO4
20ppm K
0.5ppm DPTA Iron + traces
0.1ppm EDDHA Iron

6ppm MG - 2tsp epsom salts after water change
 
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Day 1 has gone well, Co2 turned on at the right time, and the auto doser and light programming worked so happy days. Starting off at 60% for 5 hours with 30min ramp up/down each side so 6hours total.

Co2 is pumping, this in tank neo diffuser is producing super small bubbles compared to the older versions so that's cool, drop checker was green at light on so won't need much tweaking to get to lime green and will monitor from there.

The flow seems good but I will end up with a secondary pump or surface skimmer on the opposite side to help once the plants are doing well. Some plants have become dislodged, I'll can sort that out during a water change, I didn't glue many plants, so most epiphytes can be moved around if needed.

The Oase is already making noises which is annoying, mainly some air trapped in the prefilter as there's a trickling noise. Hopefully that will be sorted soon once I do a breakdown and replace the gaskets.
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WEEK 1
So it's been a good first week, things have gone smoothly and all the plants have perked up and have grown. It's day 8 and I've had minimal melt so far, but I can see some of the crypts starting to melt mainly the leaves that I planted too deep.

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The next two weeks will be interesting in terms of plant melt and algae blooms such as diatoms, I have been doing a 90% water change every other day and will continue with this for another couple of weeks until I'm ready to add livestock. Found my old twinstar reactor which sadly no longer works but also found a chihiros doctor reactor which did, so I'm going to use that until it dies with the hope it may prevent some diatoms and green spot during the ugly phase.

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I've added a supplementary pump which only has a low rating, but it's just enough not to batter my plants, but good enough to get some good flow and exchange of water layers. This has definitely helped stabilise my co2, the drop checker is bright green at lights on and then lime green by the time the lights have ramped up.
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I'm thinking of introducing shrimp into the scape next week and I'm trying so hard not to rush adding in fish. I think I'm going to travel to get my livestock this time as I don't really trust my LFS 😂

I've had a look and Ely Aquatics and Ely Exotics are about an hour away so I'll probably head over that way and check them out. I really want some Adolfoi corydoras, but the only place that has them is Tropco and it's too cold for deliveries, so will probably go collect the fish in person from the farm it's about 1.5 hours away, and I can check out their German rams too. If i see some nice Orange Venezuelan cory, I might be tempted to choose them instead to save me a drive.

So livestock wise, I want:

Invertebrates
• 10 amano shrimp (maybe coloured, not encountered this before)
• 15 Red cherry or bloody mary shrimp (whatever i can find)
• 15 orange tiger shrimp (can't find these anywhere but I purchased some before from proshrimp)

Fish
• 10 or 11 Adolfoi corydoras - I really like their colouration, they have the eye patch and stripe down the back and the orange goes well with my dorito theme 😂
• 15 Pentazona barbs - I've owned these before, their colours are amazing and really enjoyed their behaviour - timid but boisterous, school tightly and swim in the open when confident, but they also explore the whole tank rather than swim in a linear fashion

Centrepiece
• 6 German rams (2M 4F) - my favourite fish and I would like to try keep a group this time rather than a pair, but most places don't have healthy ones
Or
• Apistogramma pair - really cool alternative to rams, but can't be kept with shrimp unless you have a jungle
 
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WEEK 2
Things are going well and I've got some good growth from all plants and minimal melting. I'm loving the colour already displayed by the 'rotala blood red' and optimistic for what's ahead. The 'P helferi' and the 'S repens' have grown loads and everything looks like it's settling in. I'm keeping the lights at 60% intensity for another couple of weeks, the light coloured sand really reflects the light and seems way brighter than my last scape.

Can't believe it's only been 2 weeks, feels more like a month 😂 I'm really excited to get some livestock in there in the next week or two, going to have a look about soon.

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I have been doing about 80-90% water change every other day at the end of the photoperiod. I'm surprised the wood hasn't discoloured the water at all, especially with the colour of my ferts, but that may change when i get down to 1 water change a week.

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The 'H Pinnatifida' has started taking off, it's got clear access to the light and is in the best location for flow and Co2, it will need constant management when it starts sending out shoots.

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I've got my first bit of algae, stringy diatoms, weirdly it's only in one location, no where else (yet). Was easy to remove and my large water changes must be helping. Looking forward to what will happen next week!

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The rooms ceiling light is pretty much infront/above the tank so it is lit up nicely even outside of the photoperiod. It also creates a shimmer effect where it's brighter in the bottom right hand corner which is cool. I am considering fashioning an acrylic lid as condensation is pretty bad during the colder months and has other benefits.

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WEEK 3
I've got shrimp! Went to the LFS to have a mooch and didn't fancy any of the fish apart from some young sterbai cory and gold honey gouramis, the rest of the fish didn't look the healthiest, so I'm going to try not to buy anything from there. But they did have a massive colony of shrimp so I got 15 red cherrys, weirdly their shrimp holding tank is like 3x longer than the fish holding tanks. Looking forward to going fish shopping next week, will be so good once i get something in there. I'll probably start off with like 15 Pentazona barbs and some amano shrimp.

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Not much to report on the plant front other than great growth, the p helferi is starting to explode and some rotala already at the surface, so will need to decide when and how to trim it. I'll probably do a mini trim to get it all more even because most of them still have growing room.

I'm pleased to say that I have not encountered any algae so far other than the stringy diatoms on that lone bit of wood. Haven't needed to clean the glass either so hopefully I will have a minimal ugly phase as I'm taking it slow with making any changes. Seeing as things are going well at 60% intensity, Instead of increasing intensity I will probably push up the duration first as I'm only at 6 hours.
 
My pentazona barbs ate all my cherry shrimp. Just saying...
Thank you for the warning. I have kept pentazona barbs with shrimp before and didn't have a problem, ideally will get some really small ones. I also plan on getting Rams, my previous Rams never bothered my shrimp either. I don't mind if they eat one or two, but if they massacre a colony then that's unethical and on me.
 
Hi all,
I have kept pentazona barbs with shrimp before and didn't have a problem, ideally will get some really small ones. I also plan on getting Rams, my previous Rams never bothered my shrimp either.
I think it might depend on what you feed your fish on. Mine get a lot of <"swimming live food"> (including Crustaceans), and they tend to regard anything that moves as "food".

cheers Darrel
 
Hi all,

I think it might depend on what you feed your fish on. Mine get a lot of <"swimming live food"> (including Crustaceans), and they tend to regard anything that moves as "food".

cheers Darrel
Unlike my fish, I hate anything that wriggles so I haven't ever fed live foods. Only granules and frozen food, even then I don't like feeding frozen bloodworms as it seems they can give some fish problems and may contribute to random deaths.
 
Hi all,
Unlike my fish, I hate anything that wriggles so I haven't ever fed live foods. Only granules and frozen food,
I wonder if that is the difference. I don't know if @Andy Pierce feeds his fish life food?
even then I don't like feeding frozen bloodworms as it seems they can give some fish problems and may contribute to random deaths.
I'm not a frozen blood worm fan either. I've had the <"good / ill fortune"> to visit a <"number of old style sewage works"> and seen the conditions under which you get a commercially <"harvest-able amount of Chironomid larvae">.

cheers Darrel
 
WEEK 4

Day 25 - Things are progressing nicely, no algae bloom or ugly phase yet which is strange, but everything is starting to show some real growth and decent colour. The 'P helferi' and 's repens' have really filled in, and a little trim of the rotala will be done in a week or so when I can double up on stems to replant. Lighting has been increased to 70% and 6.5 hours total which includes 30min ramp up/down.

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Some of you may have noticed the fish in the photo, I HAVE THE FISH! Yesterday I went to my local Maidenhead Aquatics in St Albans to get some Pentazona barbs, and as soon as I walked through the door, literally the 2nd tank in there were 7 young Adolfoi Corydoras between 1-1.5 inches long, I manifested it 🙌 6 of them looked really healthy and the 7th didn't, he/she was smaller than the others and very discoloured and obviously ill but didn't seem to have anything visible, but there's no way I could leave him/her behind so my goal is to nurse this Cory back to health, which will hopefully be rewarding. So I left there with 15 Pentazona barbs and 7 Adolfoi Corydoras, I kept everything off yesterday to help them settle, they look great today so here they are enjoying some bugbites...

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Now that I've got them to examine up close, I've taken photos of the runt and looks like he/she has damaged fins, don't think any visible infection. Any advice and insight would be much appreciated, I'll be doing regular water changes no problem. He/she has coloured up slightly and is active and able to feed, also has a bigger belly than everyone else so could have constipation or something too?

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Here are some other photos I took, It's really hard capturing the barbs, they are really fast and super skittish right now, hopefully they will get brave soon.

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Sammy - I'm in love with this Dorito. Beautiful planting, the red contrast is gorgeous and I think the moss will look great 🙂 in my experience the best thing to do is tie/glue it on, and avoid disturbing it as much as possible. can't wait to see it all grown in. Will you add floating plants?

Edit: I've just realised there's more to this thread! The plants, fish and shrimp look great. Keep us updated on the Cory! Do you have a quarantine set up going /could you get one going if you need to treat further? You might find with better cover and more access to better food the sickly one perks up: this was my experience with a pygmaeus on his way to the afterlife. 3 days of Esha treatment and stuffing his face without competition, and he was back in the main tank and bothering everyone as per usual. My other thought regarding the belly & fin damage could be an infection or parasites - following my pygmy experience I'm very cautious with new fish and will be quarantine everything in future. Don't take my word as gospel: others will know better than me, and I think you're much more experienced than me anyway. Good luck!
 
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Sammy - I'm in love with this Dorito. Beautiful planting, the red contrast is gorgeous and I think the moss will look great 🙂 in my experience the best thing to do is tie/glue it on, and avoid disturbing it as much as possible. can't wait to see it all grown in. Will you add floating plants?

Edit: I've just realised there's more to this thread! The plants, fish and shrimp look great. Keep us updated on the Cory! Do you have a quarantine set up going /could you get one going if you need to treat further? You might find with better cover and more access to better food the sickly one perks up: this was my experience with a pygmaeus on his way to the afterlife. 3 days of Esha treatment and stuffing his face without competition, and he was back in the main tank and bothering everyone as per usual. My other thought regarding the belly & fin damage could be an infection or parasites - following my pygmy experience I'm very cautious with new fish and will be quarantine everything in future. Don't take my word as gospel: others will know better than me, and I think you're much more experienced than me anyway. Good luck!
Thank you, I love it, even more now I have my Adolfoi Corys! This scape is going to way more enjoyable than my first mainly because i don't see it becoming over grown and maintenance will be easy to manage. The moss has been stuck on badly, I didn't use much glue at all just incase it didn't take and I would be left with glue marks on the wood. It's currently growing like a stem plant and is bright green rather than dark green, so hopefully it will start acting more "moss like" after a trim, unless it's not moss at all, but the pot said weeping moss 😂

I'm no expert, this is literally my second scape, I started with a fluval roma 125 which was very much a "fish tank", this allowed me to learn the basics of fish keeping and growing plants badly before I gave in to "new tank syndrome" and the desire to upgrade so took the plunge and purchased the AS900 setup.

Regarding floating plants, I would like some and like the idea of some dangling roots and using them as an indicator plant. Might use some airline tubing to create a guard but I'm hesitant for a couple reasons:
1) I have decent flow and surface agitation, also I angle my outlet upwards at lights off to increase surface agitation overnight.
2) I'm battling condensation issues during these colder months so I'm considering fashioning a temporary lid out of acrylic which might interfere with the floating plants with humidity and being dripped on constantly.

Regarding the fish, I don't have a hospital tank and don't mind dosing my large tank as I'd feel better knowing my other fish would be potentially clear from any illnesses/ailments. I'm only hesitant to dose the tank straight away mainly because of beneficial bacteria, and I would like to monitor the cory and see if there is any improvement in the next week or so through water changes and good food. The corys will get more than enough food the barbs won't be a problem as I mainly feed granular food and I'm used to feeding my fish from the substrate as they are both lower dwelling fish.

I will wait to gather some opinions on the best course of action and I will call upon the big guns such as @dw1305 @Hufsa please can you advise me about the health of this cory, I'm not sure about the sex, but I'm going to call him "morty" for now 😂
 
Loving this Sammy, you maintenance, water changes and care are clear to see in how well it has got started, well done. It also looks very Filipe too so if that was intended, good job.
If the moss you're talking about is on the wood then no, thats a stem, maybe Hemianthus glomeratus? If you need an replacement let me know and i can fish out some mini christmas moss if you like.
Nice fish choice 😎 Im a big fan of a pentazona (and rhomboocellatus) great characters and stunning once settled.

 
Hi all,
Thank you, I love it, even more now I have my Adolfoi Corys!
Very nice, I think the six might be Hoplisoma (Corydoras duplicareus) duplicareum <"https://www.planetcatfish.com/common/species.php?species_id=379">.
The seventh (and well done for taking him / her) is possibly a different species, it looks more snub nosed.
The correct species identification of these animals is still unclear. There are clearly two types, a high-backed one with a very broad dorsal band (duplicareus) and a slimmer one with a narrow dorsal band (adolfoi).
<"Hoplisoma adolfoi and H. duplicareus (formerly: Corydoras) - Aquarium Glaser GmbH">.
Now that I've got them to examine up close, I've taken photos of the runt and looks like he/she has damaged fins, don't think any visible infection. Any advice and insight would be much appreciated, I'll be doing regular water changes no problem. He/she has coloured up slightly and is active and able to feed, also has a bigger belly than everyone else so could have constipation or something too?
Probably keep on going the way you are at present. Because they are from the Rio Negro some tannins <"Ripe for Picking: a Guide to Collecting your own Bountiful Botanicals"> in the water might help, I really like <"Alder "cones" (Alnus ssp.)"> - <"Medicinal trees: The Common Alder - Aqualog.de">.

cheers Darrel
 
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