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3000 Liter High Tech Planted Tank
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OK..got a bit creative here..Channel surfing and about 85-ish cri is the best I could get w/ using about 80%
Actually I was playing with the spectrum estimate and found I can get 90 CRI with a little tweak to channel 1
5:5 410/460 0 or 6:4 or 7:3
Now this isn't "exact" science but it is fairly good science. Catch is different diodes and drive currents throw things off a bit.
Like if I used Luxeon diodes or CREE ect.
And my generic diodes don't include like 415 just 410, 420 ect.
7:3 Violet to Royal Blue
BTW Studies show that lights that score below the BB Locus (curve w/ Kelvin temps) are scored as more pleasing.
Ignore any measurements of strength. This is all 1W diodes.
Hmm actually one could multiply by 4 but my beam angle is off..
Actually if I change it to 60 and list distance as 100cm I get 108 "PAR" (really PPFD)
X 4 is 432
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Actually I was playing with the spectrum estimate and found I can get 90 CRI with a little tweak to channel 1
5:5 410/460 0 or 6:4 or 7:3
Now this isn't "exact" science but it is fairly good science. Catch is different diodes and drive currents throw things off a bit.
Like if I used Luxeon diodes or CREE ect.
And my generic diodes don't include like 415 just 410, 420 ect.
7:3 Violet to Royal Blue
BTW Studies show that lights that score below the BB Locus (curve w/ Kelvin temps) are scored as more pleasing.
Ignore any measurements of strength. This is all 1W diodes.
Hmm actually one could multiply by 4 but my beam angle is off..
Actually if I change it to 60 and list distance as 100cm I get 108 "PAR" (really PPFD)
X 4 is 432
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So this is a custom spectrum you think would best suit what I'm after? Also I got the price wrong for the 960s, it's $690 for normal white, and $690 + $55 for the XP planted. But I would only get the XP planted ones, or perhaps something custom, still waiting for a response.
They responded and they did not mention how much extra it would cost, they said this "
the spectrum is the same as the atlantik planted version. This also can be a good option .
About the spectrum please check at the product page each led . Please check the xp planted . It base on the Atlanitk iCon planted same ratio. They attached an image of what a tank looks like under the light and It doesn't look too bad.
Yes I am aware of the Atlantik. I guess it is good to know it us still " available" since it has not been advertised for quite some time.
I have nothing against the spectrum with minor nits to pick listed below.
BELOW WAS written earlier but not posted.
Didn't feel like erasing it.
XP is probably more expensive due to the UV and maybe some of the lower nm violets.
Custom add on cost may be a wash with the removal of UV.
I believe the channels are linear as I assumed above.
The custom is what many should like.. 🙂
About that, there were 2 equal # reds. I put 5 of each on one channel.
No reason each different nm can have its own channel. Brain burp.
Possible weaknesses based on some current terrestrial knowledge and some speculation.
Did not add IR (usually around 730-ish,) to favor the Emerson enhancement effect.
Took out true UV. Afaict no freshwater major effects. At least none that can't use the 410-15's in its place.
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Limited violet since the tone is personally annoying to me... 😉
Whites should not be 6500k or less (would be ok with quality high cri diodes but unlikely.)
Personally if cost is $2US or less per watt (though not all watts are equal) is a pretty fair price. $4 or greater needs really a lot of bells and whistles.
Second to this is useable watts. Like reefers who buy " black boxes" but shut off almost all of the output on 1 of 2 channels.
This isn't rocket science ..
On my
Could be the light could be from tannins.
Anyways the Atlantik 4 channels and diode pairing for historical reference.
orphek.com
Compare my vs their 100% spectrum.
Compare each to a Chihiros spectrum.
KEEP in mind these are estimates (except the Atlantik one) and subject to some amount of error. General trends should be valid though.
On my phone the tanks looks a bit yellow.
Could be the light could be from tannins.
Anyways the Atlantik 4 channels and diode pairing for historical reference.
Atlantik V4 planted freshwater Aquariums LED Light • Orphek Reef Aquarium LED Lighting
Orphek Atlantik V4 Planted Aquarium LED Lighting for optimal aquascape freshwater aquatic plants to grow and produce vibrant color.
orphek.com
Compare my vs their 100% spectrum.
Compare each to a Chihiros spectrum.
KEEP in mind these are estimates (except the Atlantik one) and subject to some amount of error. General trends should be valid though.
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Krzysztof 82 (Kris)
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Hi all,
If I could cheap in an idea for light choice. Not sure was it mentioned already, but going through the thread, I haven't noticed.
Please kindly take a look at the Skylight hyperspot, for instance the link below, but there are one or two more dealers for the UK. I have one above my tank 100x50x50cm and it is an older version, size L.
buzzardreptile.co.uk
For the L size, which is 90x26cm with 8 light points it is £600. Please be aware that it is an older version, where you need to buy, a separate controller to be able to dim it or ramp it. The newer version is with letter F and the controller is built in.
Good luck with your project, looks impressive.
Kris
Wysłane z mojego 2203129G przy użyciu Tapatalka
If I could cheap in an idea for light choice. Not sure was it mentioned already, but going through the thread, I haven't noticed.
Please kindly take a look at the Skylight hyperspot, for instance the link below, but there are one or two more dealers for the UK. I have one above my tank 100x50x50cm and it is an older version, size L.
SkyLight Hyperspot - Buzzard Reptile
With the help of reflectors, the Skylight Hyperspot lamps direct almost all available light into the aquarium
buzzardreptile.co.uk
For the L size, which is 90x26cm with 8 light points it is £600. Please be aware that it is an older version, where you need to buy, a separate controller to be able to dim it or ramp it. The newer version is with letter F and the controller is built in.
Good luck with your project, looks impressive.
Kris
Wysłane z mojego 2203129G przy użyciu Tapatalka
Krzysztof 82 (Kris)
Member
The good thing about it is the coverage, where the L size easily lit up 120x60cm and penetrates about 100cm, but it's got only two channels, cold (blue and red) and warm (green). Radion will cover about half the size.
Wysłane z mojego M2007J17G przy użyciu Tapatalka
Krzysztof 82 (Kris)
Member
Hi,
Did you manage to choose the light?
Regards.
Kris
Did you manage to choose the light?
Regards.
Kris
Yes we did. According to the budget and the owners preferences we went with 6 120cm fluval plant 3.0 and we kept the 2 previous 120cm aquatop LED lights. The owner will consider upgrading to more expensive lights after seeing how the tank is doing after a few months.
I was originally concerned with these being enough light considering they are hung 60 cm above the tank and the tank is 120 cm. But it's only been a few days and the plants are already growing a bunch.
Krzysztof 82 (Kris)
Member
Interesting choice. If you don't mind keep updating information, that would be great.
Thank you kindly.
Kris
So after months of waiting and planning this tank it has finally been done.
As I have said earlier I went with 2 20lb CO2 tanks that are fed into a Yugang Reactor (horizontal reactor). The reactor is massive it is 165 cm in length using 10 cm diameter industrial PVC pipe. The CO2 reactor input comes from the chiller reactor output. Then the CO2 reactor output goes through about 450 cm vinyl tubing to the sump return pump. The sump return pump goes to a 120 cm tall pleated filter canister which then gets returned to the display tank. So we almost have a second reactor with the pleated filter canister since it's pretty big.
Here is a little video of the setup, I need clean the cobwebs back there lol.
The substrate we went with was 120L of flourite black and 600lbs of lava rock to create the height. The cosmetic sand is caribsea super naturals. For the hardscape I kept the stump but moved it to a different angle.
After 12 hours of being inside the tank scaping it, this is what I came up with.
After another hour of filling the tank and waiting a few days for the water to clear up here is the tank today.
We are still planning the livestock but we are thinking a lot of shrimp and some small schooling fish.
It has been a few days since being filled and the plants are already showing a lot of new growth. In fact according to the water quality they consumed 0.7 ppm PO4 and 1.2 ppm NO3 in the last 24 hours.
The water quality is tested using a Hach spectrophotometer. The first test was 36 hours after filling and dosing 8 ppm NO3 and 2 ppm PO4. I was surprised by how low the NO3 was do I did another dose of macros and tested the following day. NO3 increased a bit but not to what I expected. PO4 increased like expected. I tested again today to see how much the NO3 and PO4 decreased in 1 day. The concrete rock structure has been slowly increasing the pH the last few days which has been a little concerning. As you can see above the KH went from 2 to 6 in 2 days. The RO water the tank was filled with has a KH and GH of 0. I believe the pH was 7.0. Calcium is currently 41.
The Yugang reactor has been working amazing. I achieved a 1.0 drop in 38 minutes and the pH stabilized after about 54 minutes. I am very surprised from how fast the pH drop is on this tank, I originally thought it would take hours with how big it is. But I guess its because the tank has such a high off gassing rate from the 120 cm tall overflow and the water violently pouring into the sump. This has helped keep a very stable pH and a very fast pH drop. I am curious how long the CO2 tanks will last with the amount of CO2 I'm injecting. Here is the most recent pH profile.
I am very excited to shape this tank and see it mature! It looks way bigger in person. I definitely want to have one of my own one day lol.
As I have said earlier I went with 2 20lb CO2 tanks that are fed into a Yugang Reactor (horizontal reactor). The reactor is massive it is 165 cm in length using 10 cm diameter industrial PVC pipe. The CO2 reactor input comes from the chiller reactor output. Then the CO2 reactor output goes through about 450 cm vinyl tubing to the sump return pump. The sump return pump goes to a 120 cm tall pleated filter canister which then gets returned to the display tank. So we almost have a second reactor with the pleated filter canister since it's pretty big.
Here is a little video of the setup, I need clean the cobwebs back there lol.
The substrate we went with was 120L of flourite black and 600lbs of lava rock to create the height. The cosmetic sand is caribsea super naturals. For the hardscape I kept the stump but moved it to a different angle.
After 12 hours of being inside the tank scaping it, this is what I came up with.
After another hour of filling the tank and waiting a few days for the water to clear up here is the tank today.
We are still planning the livestock but we are thinking a lot of shrimp and some small schooling fish.
It has been a few days since being filled and the plants are already showing a lot of new growth. In fact according to the water quality they consumed 0.7 ppm PO4 and 1.2 ppm NO3 in the last 24 hours.
The water quality is tested using a Hach spectrophotometer. The first test was 36 hours after filling and dosing 8 ppm NO3 and 2 ppm PO4. I was surprised by how low the NO3 was do I did another dose of macros and tested the following day. NO3 increased a bit but not to what I expected. PO4 increased like expected. I tested again today to see how much the NO3 and PO4 decreased in 1 day. The concrete rock structure has been slowly increasing the pH the last few days which has been a little concerning. As you can see above the KH went from 2 to 6 in 2 days. The RO water the tank was filled with has a KH and GH of 0. I believe the pH was 7.0. Calcium is currently 41.The Yugang reactor has been working amazing. I achieved a 1.0 drop in 38 minutes and the pH stabilized after about 54 minutes. I am very surprised from how fast the pH drop is on this tank, I originally thought it would take hours with how big it is. But I guess its because the tank has such a high off gassing rate from the 120 cm tall overflow and the water violently pouring into the sump. This has helped keep a very stable pH and a very fast pH drop. I am curious how long the CO2 tanks will last with the amount of CO2 I'm injecting. Here is the most recent pH profile.
I am very excited to shape this tank and see it mature! It looks way bigger in person. I definitely want to have one of my own one day lol.
MichaelJ
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Really nice result! Whilst it's a shame that so much of that massive tank volume is lost to the fibreglass rock faces, the scape works with it really well, and you've achieved excellent depth. At 1.2m deep though, I don't envy whoever will have to trim those plants down at the front! 😀
Do you have a shortlist yet?
Do you have a shortlist yet?
Thank you! Lol indeed I need to figure that out. Luckily the back half is very easy to access.
Still not sure on schooling fish, rainbowfish and tetras have been mentioned though. I have however made a list of other livestock for the tank. I haven't looked at the compatibility of everything on this list yet I was just brainstorming. I definitely want to add a lot of little nano fish.
Cherry shrimp
Amano shrimp
African filter shrimp/bamboo shrimp?
Asian Stone catfish
Siamese algae eaters
Otocinclus
Nerite snails
Corydoras
Khuli loaches
Pearl gourami
Dwarf mexican crayfish
Peacock gudgeon
African butterfly fish
Similar stocking to my own tank in many ways . . .
Lots of optons there. I have recently added Sedge Tetras (aka Reed/Veilfin) [Hyphessobrycon elachys] and they are a lovely active shoaling fish. I'll also be shortly adding some Threadfin Rainbows [Iriatherina werneri] which are another beautiful small shoaling fish.
Give those a few weeks to settle in before adding any fish if you can.
As a filter feeder, probably best in a well matured tank, so maybe leave until last.
Cool little (tiny!) fish - mainly nocturnal
They get quite big, and can eat some plants and mosses, so worth thinking twice about.
A favourite of mine, but again best in a matured tank, and still need target feeding if you have a number of them - I pretty much constantly have a slice of courgette or cucumber in my tank for them.
Personally I wouldn't bother - they have a nasty habit of laying indestructible white eggs everywhere, and don't do too well with CO2 injection. I'd recommend Ramshorns, since they are cheap (often free) and will maintain their own population in the tank.
The world is your oyster there, unless you want smaller/nano species which does limit choice a little.
Lovely fish, I have these now.
A beautiful fish, but again gets fairly big. There are other options (Chocolate, Samurai, Honey) if you want some Gourami that don't get quite as large.
I'm not familair with these, but I vaguely remember that @MichaelJ was looking to get some, and may offer some insights on compatibility.
I've not kept these, but have read they are a bit specialist, so maybe do some research before committing.
As far as I know, these are a predatory fish, so I'd have thought they were a big no-no in a community tank with small fish? If the tank is covered, I'd consider Hatchets as an interesting surface dwelling alternative.
Lots of optons there. I have recently added Sedge Tetras (aka Reed/Veilfin) [Hyphessobrycon elachys] and they are a lovely active shoaling fish. I'll also be shortly adding some Threadfin Rainbows [Iriatherina werneri] which are another beautiful small shoaling fish.
Give those a few weeks to settle in before adding any fish if you can.
As a filter feeder, probably best in a well matured tank, so maybe leave until last.
Cool little (tiny!) fish - mainly nocturnal
They get quite big, and can eat some plants and mosses, so worth thinking twice about.
A favourite of mine, but again best in a matured tank, and still need target feeding if you have a number of them - I pretty much constantly have a slice of courgette or cucumber in my tank for them.
Personally I wouldn't bother - they have a nasty habit of laying indestructible white eggs everywhere, and don't do too well with CO2 injection. I'd recommend Ramshorns, since they are cheap (often free) and will maintain their own population in the tank.
The world is your oyster there, unless you want smaller/nano species which does limit choice a little.
Lovely fish, I have these now.
A beautiful fish, but again gets fairly big. There are other options (Chocolate, Samurai, Honey) if you want some Gourami that don't get quite as large.
I'm not familair with these, but I vaguely remember that @MichaelJ was looking to get some, and may offer some insights on compatibility.
I've not kept these, but have read they are a bit specialist, so maybe do some research before committing.
As far as I know, these are a predatory fish, so I'd have thought they were a big no-no in a community tank with small fish? If the tank is covered, I'd consider Hatchets as an interesting surface dwelling alternative.
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I just looked at your stocking and we must have similar taste lol. Thanks for all the insights on my list I will make sure to keep this in mind. One of my concerns was the shrimps and CO2, I hear shrimps can be more sensitive to CO2. I see you only keep your tank at 15 ppm CO2.
Yes I believe they are, my thinking was that since they'd be mostly at the top there wouldn't be much predation happening with the tank being 1.2m deep. But I totally forgot they are jumpers, so I will have to take off the list.
I also want to try adding some scuds to the tank. Will probably be a nice food source for a lot of the micro fish.
My CO2 target is by design though, I know that will be sufficient for the plants I'm keeping and the relatively low light levels I have chosen - that balance is right for my set-up. Cherry shrimp and Amano's should be fine with the standard 30ppm target.
Yes, I have them in mine. Their babies are a useful food source, and bring out the hunting instinct in some species - my Chocolate Gourami spend ages hunting for them in amongst the moss and plants.
Be warned though, once you add them , you'll have them forever - they're virtually indestructible. As long as you have fish that will hunt the young ones though, their population won't get too high, and they're also not as prolific with CO2 injection I've found. In low tech without any predators though, they can get to numbers that look like something out of a horror movie!
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