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23.66 gram of this product mixed into 500 ml solution, dosed at 20 ml per 50 gallon (189.27 liter) Fe 0.1 (0.06 ppm DTPA Fe, 0.04 ppm EDDHA Fe) Mg 0.345 Mn 0.015 (bit low for Mn when compared to Fe:Mn ratio) I use mathematic formulas to get these numbers, I may have posted the...

by now I believe many hobbyist are using this, can anyone share more picture updates on this? has anyone tried this with the following: 100% RO water Mineralized to Calcium 10 ppm and Magnesium 4 ppm then weekly dose: N 3 (1.4 Urea-N, 1.62 NO3-N) this will add 7.18 ppm NO3, Rest of the N...

its good to experiment because non chelated Micros are more prone to oxidization and Precipitation. but, if it still doesn't resolve the issues then we need to look somewhere else, but Fe and Mn are usually at fault under such scenario. Magnesium can also be a problem but in your case, there is...

that wasn't based on weekly dose but if I were to dose that, I would have dosed 20ml per 50 gallon 3x a week (high tech setup) which is 60 ml total. but i see some problems with this: Boron is not included, I assume they are relying on natural water which usually contain some Micros including...

@MaterialCrab in case if you were still interested in using that fertilizer, the numbers looks something like this: 29.58 gram phostrogen plant food mixed into 500 ml solution, dosed at 20 ml per 50 gallon (189.27 liter) N 1 (0.125 ppm NH4-N and 0.875 ppm Urea-N) P...

I recommend keeping the old soil, it will act as an nutrient absorbers and you will highly benefit from it especially while using Urea/NH4 as liquid fertilizer. do you test for NO3 levels in the aquarium? also, how much of filter media are you using in your filters?

can you clarify this? I was bit confused on this part "but my soil is old" and "actually I have new soil"

yes if you do 90-100 % change then you add 10 ppm Ca and 4 ppm Mg, afterward every time you do any 50% water change, you add 5 ppm Ca and 2 ppm Mg.

try increasing the Mn a little bit, you can even use it at 1:1 Fe:Mn ratio so that mean 0.1 ppm Mn and 0.1 ppm Fe and observe the plants. what kind of soil do you use? do you have have any root tabs added to it?

Magnesium is already covered at the water changes. by observing your plants from this picture #150 it appear as you may be dealing with Iron issues, if you rule out the Iron then it could be related to Mn. we won't know unless you play around with this.

am not sure if you are able to find Individual Chelated Micros in Türkiye ? if you have the budget, you can look into this as well, just be aware your room now going to look like chemical lab :) you may also be able to help your local hobbyists as well

@hasan66 you can also play with something like this: 500 ml, 5 ml per 75 liters: 7.16 gram Nh4Cl N 0.25 Cl 0.63 13.574 grams KNO3 NO3 1.11 N 0.25 K 0.7 4.3 grams KH2PO4 PO4 0.4 P 0.13 K 0.16 8.04 grams Urea N 0.5 you can target 10 ppm Ca using CaSO4 and 4 ppm...

But most plant here don't look that bad at all. There appear to be some minor algae on some of the older growth. You may only need few minor tweaks at this point. What lights are you using?

@hasan66 do you have NH4cl ?

Copper is required for many enzyme activities in plants and for chlorophyll, so little extra copper maybe helpful. Almost all my recipes usually have little extra copper. The max weekly dose of between 0.006 to 0.014 is plentiful. aromatica did quite well for me even under much lower micros...

If you still want to use this, the recipe look something like this: 500 ml, 5 ml per 75 liters: 18.75 gram MICROMIX Fe 0.1 (0.04 EDTA Fe, 0.06 DTPA Fe) Mn 0.0375 B 0.03 Zn 0.05 Cu 0.0025 Mo 0.0025

Am not sure why would you want to do that when you currently have full control over your Micros and Fe and can design them however you want.

sorry about the late response. I would give it a 2 weeks before we make some changes if needed. we may switch to Nh4cl, KNO3, MgNo3 and remove the urea or reduce it little bit. am not 100% sure about the small growth, but this could be the results from sudden 90% water change, let me know if you...

CaCl2.2H2O the food grade is fine, look at the label to see the ingredient.

I cannot remember the TDS from top of my head, but if you have a TDS meter you should able to test it easily. I change 25-100% water change every 2-3 weeks or whenever needed, but for standard regime, 25% water change every week or 50% water every 2 weeks should be sufficient. what is...

How my Regime works: these numbers stays constant (During 100% RO water Mineralization): Ca. 10 Mg. 3-4 these numbers can vary: N 1 P 0.13 K 0.8 if you add 0.5 ppm N daily, which will also add 0.4 ppm K and 0.065 ppm P. these numbers are likely to be up taken daily (estimated), next day...

I just didn't like how it adds KH as well as Odd ratio of the Minerals. it could still be a good product for general purpose, but not perfect if you want to learn about plants.

this is one of the valid reason

Hi LMuhlen, might be best if I could View the Water report and we can go from there. But, if you have say 30 ppm Calcium in the water, it would be good idea to maintain something like this: Ca 30 Mg 9.38 K 2.82 if you could maintain the above, you truly only need to add N and P for Macros and...

that is fine, you can add 8.04 grams Urea instead of 14.32 gram Nh4Cl. but this will change how the Nitrogen become available to the plants, Urea isn't same as dosing NH4. even though Urea ultimately turns into NH4. as mentioned earlier, I have used NH4Cl without the issues you have...

something like this: N 2.68 P 0.2 K 2.06 above recipe #116 N 3 P 0.4 K 2.4

@hasan66 75 liter RO water Mineralization: 1.611 grams CaSO4.2H2O Ca 5 S 4.0 dGH 0.7 1.375 grams CaCl2.2H2O or 1.038 grams CaCl2 anhydrate Ca 5 Cl 8.85 dGH 0.7 2.281 grams MgSO4.7H2O Mg 3 S 3.96 dGH 0.7 500 ml solution, 5 ml per 75 liter 14.32 gram Nh4Cl N...

when you decide to make the switch, make sure you perform at least two 80%-90% water changes. just curious, were you dosing 20 ml in your 75 liter aquarium?

I have never observed the plant turning black and I dose NH4 in almost all my recipes. the recipe in that picture is for Micros, not Macros. I don't think you can expect the best results as long as "AF Mineral Salt" is being used, because it kind of goes against what am trying to recommend...

you are more than welcome to change the ratio of B and Zn to 0.014 : 0.007 if you like, but I strongly believe the issues are non related to Micros during this time. we can also change your Macros if you like? far as Tropica goes, it almost always gives good results, we can even clone it...

@hasan66 how were the plants before you started making these Micros/Macros Recipes? I suggest no longer using the "aqua forest mineral salt" and switch to the recommendation few posts back. have you tried the new Micros with your previous/Older Macros?

@hasan66 how's everything going?

follow this ^ yep you will start with 200 ml Distilled water and then add all the chemicals/salts listed on the recipe for Solution #2. stir and mix this solution and you will notice that its no longer a 200 ml solution because chemicals/salt, potassium sorbate, vinegar has added the volume to...

I believe this was due to the error on my part, its corrected now. 250 ml solution #2 start with 200 ml (or little less) distilled water and then add the following: add 0.1g potassium sorbate add 5ml white vinegar add 1.071 gram Fe DTPA 7% add 0.208 gram EDDHA Fe 6% add 0.625 gram EDTA Fe 6%...

which part? I use mathematic to calculate everything, some people use Rotala Butterfly calculator and some people use IFC Aquarium Fertilizer Calculator this one is simple 75x2 = 150 you just double the grams in those recipes and get the same ppm.

correction made to add 0.625 gram EDTA Fe 6% updated the recipe to 6% EDTA Fe , I have never seen the 6% EDTA here in the USA, most common one is 13% anyway, DTPA 11% is better than the DTPA 7% because it also lower the PH to significant number. you can try to get that in the future.

@hasan66 250 ml solution #1 start with 200 ml distilled water and then add the following: add 0.1g potassium sorbate add 5ml white vinegar add 2.58 gram MnSO4*H2O add 0.5 gram Zinc Sulfate Monohydrate 35.5% add 1 gram H3BO3 add 0.345 gram CuSO4*5H2O add 0.1 gram Na2MoO4*2H2O once fully...

is this a typo? EDTA Fe is usually 13% either way is fine but something like this: Cacl 5 CaSO4 5 Mgso4 3 K2So4 1

remind me again what DTPA Fe you have/ 11% ? and you are targeting 0.1 ppm Fe?

even with that precision, I wouldn't recommend it. give me few minutes and let me make something for you, which would be better option. anyway, you do indeed have the wrong Zinc selected for your recipe. what you have is the "Zinc Sulfate Monohydrate 35.5% "

Above Product: GH: 3 KH: 2 K: 6 Ca: 6.5 Mg: 4.1 Mn 0.00116 I would Recommend using Caso4/Cacl, MgSo4 and K2so4/KhCo3 with following ratio: Ca 10 Mg 3 K 1 Mn 0.02236 Zn 0.00467 (if ZnSO4*7H2O was used) Zn 0.00737 (if Zinc Sulfate Monohydrate 35.5% was used) B...

How did you make the recipe? Which chemicals, grams etc. Used? Just wanted to double check everything.

Far as the coloration goes, the micros seems to be working. Can you post more pictures of the other plants, including full tank shot? Curled leave can relate to several different things. But usually related to Ca, Mg, K ratios.

@hasan66 @Mike Singh Is Magnesium Nitrate available in your countries ? if you guys still want to use the NH4, NO3, Urea combo, you could try something like this below: 500 ml, 20 ml per 50 gallon (190 liter) 3.57 gram NH4Cl N 0.2 Cl 0.5 2.71 gram KH2PO4 PO4 0.4 P 0.13 K...

I want to confirm if this is exactly what you dose to benefit @Mike Singh as well For a 100 liter tank 8.15 g potassium nitrate 5.36 g urea 5.16 g ammonium chloride 0.931 g phosphate 5ml weekly in a 500ml water container. KNO3 NO3 0.5 N 0.113 K 0.315 Urea N 0.25 Kh2PO4 PO4...

@hasan66 which recipe? sorry I have lost track of things in the past few days.

they are ok for our purpose both are same thing, get either one. not needed if using KNO3 I use Mathematics Formula

@mow said you can use either one of the Micros, But I would go with the Tradecorp AZ and you can decide weather you want to keep the Micros and Macros separate in their own solution. I also Recommend using Distilled water for solutions. we can add Magnesium to your aquarium during water...

this will work fine as well. but you didn't answer the following: "ok lets start with your tank, how many gallon or liters is it going to be? then your solution size for Micro and Macros? 500 ml? then how many ml per dose? 10 ml, 20 ml?"

0.06 ppm EDTA Fe, 0.04 ppm DTPA Fe = 0.1 ppm Total Fe 0.05 ppm EDTA Fe, 0.05 ppm DTPA Fe = 0.1 ppm Total Fe 0.02 ppm EDTA Fe, 0.04 ppm DTPA Fe, 0.04 Fe Gluconate = 0.1 ppm Total Fe 0.06 ppm HEEDTA Fe, 0.04 ppm DTPA Fe = 0.1 ppm Total Fe I believe this is what you meant? the total ppm of Fe...

"PPM or Parts Per Million is a unit used to describe very small concentrations of a substance in a larger solution" EDTA and DTPA are not the same, they both use different way of Chelation and DTPA is more stable overall, EDTA uses Ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid while DTPA uses Pentetic acid...

I believe we may be having a language barrier, possibly due to translation if that is what you are using. ok lets start with your tank, how many gallon or liters is it going to be? then your solution size for Micro and Macros? 500 ml? then how many ml per dose? 10 ml, 20 ml?

TDS has nothing to do with this, even though higher TDS generally mean higher GH/KH etc. but the primary issues are related to PH/KH when we refer on using chelation. there is no issue mixing a different chelation of Iron together. I believe you are not fully understanding how this whole...

Vinegar doesn't fully preserve the solution, while it may kill or prevent some of the mold/bacteria. Potassium Sorbate will preserve the solution to much high degree. Vinegar primarily lower the PH and acidify the solution. for most Micros, chelation isn't necessary. Fe and Mn may require the...

if you are using the above then the Micros/Fe and Macro solution are kept separately, I only added Potassium Sorbate. White Vinegar is fine to add along with potassium Sorbate. most of the time I no longer use Ascorbic Acid for my projects.

These are my standard. I target N as Proxy for my Macro dose, so it could be anywhere from 1-3 ppm N weekly. However, I never feel the need to exceed the Micro dose of 0.1 ppm Fe weekly as Proxy, regardless of weather I dose 1 or 3 ppm N. RO water Mineralized to: CaSo4: Ca 10 S 8.0006...

@hasan66 you may also find this link useful. similar numbers were used by @plantnoobdude

if you haven't noticed one of the Micro (right pic) was Tropica based clone. plant somehow reacted differently compared to the pic on the left where Micros were much lower. they both had some issues with what appear to be Fe deficiency, but this issue could have been related to many other...

these are taken from my experimental setups. what is your question? what you are seeing is plant reacting to different sets of ratios.

But, what ppm were the daily/weekly target for each of these DTPA, EDDHA & Seachem Iron, Mn ? was Mn chelated? if you can already provide RO water to your setup, I would suggest going 100% RO and Mineralize it with needed Minerals and Nutrients.

You can certainly use ammonium nitrate with livestock, this depends on PH and the acidity of the water.

mostly common in those tanks where they lack Ammonium or Ammonium based soil, especially when the main source of Nitrogen is NO3.

am not gonna lie but NH4NO3 is one of the best Nitrogen you could use for aquatic plant, even the NH4Cl or (NH4)2SO4 cannot replace it. But, Urea isn't too far behind and I would use Urea as my source of Nitrogen when NH4NO3 isn't available. it is also very safe compare to directly adding the...

I believe there are endless topics on this same question which are already covered here on this forum. @_Maq_ can probably send you in the right direction. I would use KHCO3, this is same as using ADA Brighty K, Easy to find and replicate. The KH coming from KHCO3 will be neturilized by ADA soil.

What are the water parameters? GH/KH ? Substrate? No problem using KCL but it truly will add lot of Chloride if you going for 25 ppm K, this is extremely high for both K and Cl in my opinion.

you still cannot make Proper CaSO4 Solution, if that is what you meant here?

when you Mix MgSo4 and Cacl together, this form CaSO4 in the solution and since the solubility of CaSO4 is extremely low, what you are seeing is an insoluble CaSo4. your best bet is to use MgCl and CaCl if you want to go with the Solution Route, they both are highly soluble.

This is very misleading

what fertilizer do you have? I assume you use Seachem line? as mentioned earlier you are likely to have problems with Iron in your high KH water, excesses PO4 is going to make it even worse. you are better off using DTPA Fe. the uptake of N and K is not going to be that high as being recommended...

I believe this was already covered on your other thread here #64 Iron is the Major one that is highly affected by such scenario. if you were to use Fe (II) under high KH, you will find that it is rapidly precipitated. EDTA, DTPA etc. can be used to maintain the Iron levels under high KH water.

it precipitate many nutrients out of the solution, tanks are no exception and PH and KH plays quite a big role here.

if plants are your main priority, I would suggest that you remove anything from the water that can have a major side effects on the water chemistry. stones that raise GH, also raise KH as well and this is going to have a negative effects on the water chemistry. it is preferred that you maintain...

One important thing to consider when we are talking about consumption of Nitrogen is to consider weather it's coming from NH4 or NO3, or both. NH4 is rather rapidly consumed, especially the floaters consume it very quickly in comparison to NO3. If most of the N is coming from NH4, it will...

depends but most likely not. those numbers are what most people like to dose, so I used that for my example.

But Seachem Nitrogen doesn't Use NH4SO4 + KNO3, it uses Urea + KNO3.

Hi Darrel, it does say that they use Potassium Sulfate for Seachem equilibrium, so I don't think that excess potassium is just a result of Impurities. those numbers are quite huge to be impurities, unless i misunderstood your post? same can be said for the Zn especially when its coming from...

1. if you follow Seachem dosing, especially if you use Seachem Equilibrium, then you are almost always going to overdose on potassium and these levels continue to accumulate because the uptake of K is no where near those levels. 2. IMO and IME, Tropica seems to have it right. furthermore, if...

Mat, have you considered the above version? It is DTPA based Fe.

some useful Information #17 and #19, the PH drop was quite significant with DTPA Fe 11% hence not requiring the need to acidify the solution with other alternatives.

I think you are confusing this with Pentetic acid.

no need to acidify the DTPA Fe 11% Solution, it will drop the PH to 4.0 or so by itself when added to Distilled water (don't use RO water). the only thing you should add is Potassium Sorbate or Sodium Benzoate only if you are planning on keeping and storing this solution for several months.

@eminor you can add few drops 3 to 5 ml of HCL in your FeSO4/micro solution if oxidization is a problem and then add some sodium benzoate to preserve the solution.

@LFNfan have you looked into this yet?

No worries. While you prepare this solution, I suggest you fill the container to 250 ml Distilled water and then add about 3 ml white vinegar and about 0.2 gram Potassium Sorbate if you want to extend the shelf life of the solution. Feel feel to try without adding any of these and observe the...

Add 10 gram Solufeed 2:1:4 into 300 ml Distilled water. Dose 1 ml per 10 liters, which will add 0.5 ppm N, which is about 2.21 ppm NO3.

Hanuman, why you think high co2 is necessary?

Yes there is a strong link between Fe, P and the algae, especially when they are present in higher amount. But depending on other nutrients as well, different kinds of algaes will be formed. If the iron is more readily available and present in higher quantities, you can expect it to cause all...

@DudeFromPantanal see if this is useful. When N to P ratio was kept at 13:1 along with low iron level, not just cyano but many other types of algaes stop growing when I was experimenting with it. Dosing at 4 to 1 N to P ratio, cyanobacteria didn't occur all the time, but it did occur more...

@DudeFromPantanal The reason you see so much variation in fertilizer and their ratio for testerrial plants is simply because some are just leaves, some are vegetables, some are fruits. The fertilizer ratios and ppm of various nutrients are more designed for different purposes. For example: You...

Seachem Flourish Nitrogen: "The beginner dose raises nitrogen by the same degree that 1 mg/L nitrate would. This dose is sufficient to provide approximately 4 g of growth (dry) or about 20 g (hydrated) over a 1 month period (assuming all other necessary nutrients are provided). For increased...

if you truly want to get into DIY Micros/Fe, I suggest getting these, you will also need Ammonium dimolybdate and Boric Acid. I suggest getting the Solufeed Sodium Free TEC as well in case you end up using it. the sodium free version is better than the other one. try to find the EDDHSA Fe if...

@Davey in case you missed it. https://shopfront.solufeed.co.uk/chelates-4-c.asp we kind of drifted away from Modifying the "Solufeed 2:1:4 or Solufeed Sodium Free TEC " to completely going DIY Micros/Fe . I believe we can Continue the DIY Micros/Fe on your Journal ? Unless members believe...

they also sell K2SO4. am not familiar with where you could find the best deal in UK, am in the USA. I would wait for others to step in and help you find a better deal, other than that the chemicals you have listed works for our purpose. you can skip on EDDHA, i do not have access to EDDHSA...

feel free to post a link to whichever chemicals you are considering buying and we can go from there. far as buying from different companies, it will depend on the purity and the grade of chemicals. you can do that or keep it stored and you never know when it might become handy.

You decide which is better

if you want to go deep into this and want to have a full control over nutrients, you do have an option getting all the chemicals individually. something like this, for Reference: #1 #2 #3

Edit: there was an error that i just corrected in #88 feel free to try which ever you like, but I would recommend trying the Recipe #4 if you are primarily focused on your water report and want to avoid adding additional Traces and other nutrients that are already present in the water. at 0.1...

Recipe #1 60 liter aquarium (Individual Recipe) 10 ml White Vinegar 0.5 gram potassium sorbate 1000 ml, 20 ml dose 3.628 gram Solufeed Sodium Free TEC Fe 0.1 Mn 0.02418 B 0.0111 Cu 0.00278 Zn 0.014 Mo 0.001813 Recipe #2 60 liter aquarium (Individual Recipe) 10 ml White Vinegar 0.5 gram...

I sometime use this Product to lower the PH and it also provides P as well. I have an all in one solution that contain Ca, Mg as well while using this product. am currently waiting and observing to see how stable the solution remains.