It <"does get a mention">, I've tried it a couple of times, but it needs harder, more nutrient rich water than I have to offer. If you can provide that? It should work fine.some Spirodela polyrhiza
Doesn't the root system get larger when there is a lack of nutrients for them?MASSIVE root systems I have on my Frogbits.
We think it probably does (via <"resource partition">). My plants tend to have relatively small leaf rosette, but long and bountiful roots, which I think is a response to fairly lean rations.Doesn't the root system get larger when there is a lack of nutrients for them?
Castle's are absolute monsters. Mine are marginally fuller than yours, Darrel. When the roots reach the substrate it is a PITA too, when you pull them out they muck everything up...Hi all,
We think it probably does (via <"resource partition">). My plants tend to have relatively small leaf rosette, but long and bountiful roots, which I think is a response to fairly lean rations.
It is really the ratio of rosette to root that is important, <"if you have a very large plant it will have large roots">. These are @castle 's plants wher ethe roots had reached the substrate <"Looks like my Limnobium laevigatum has flowered?">
cheers Darrel
That is one advantage of the <"Duckweed Index">, you just need a floating plant that grows happily in your tank <"Giant duckweed - Spirodella polyrhyza"> & <"Id on floating plant">.I really like the polyrhizas.
Fantastic. <"I really need"> to have another go with RRF (<"Phyllanthus fluitans">). I got <"fed up of rescuing it">, but they may just suggest that it wasn't very happy with <"the growing conditions">.Here’s two bits of RRF, both grown under the same light in the same tap water (soft) but the red one has been limited of nutrients.
This is interesting, I don’t know how significantly this will be a factor, however perhaps those plants under the light are not red directly due to the intense spectrum, but perhaps due to the lighting intensity driving the rate of growth? A very close to the surface light offers little surface spread, those under the light maybe simply trying to grow faster which turns their fertilisation from plenty (like those of the green outer shaded plants) to limited (red under direct strong light) simply due to the dictated rate of growth …the windowsill plants again maybe don’t get the same level of constant fertilisation as the tank so eventually turn red…..just a thought 🤷🏼♂️I think you'd have to be careful with the RRF as light plays into the colour. I've had it growing packed densly (so much it didn't move) in a tank with the light about 1" above the surface and there was a very noticable line across the plant growth showing the extent of the light - red under the light and green around the edges. I've also taken them out of the tank, and floated them in tank water on the window sill and you get the deep red colouration. It a very cool plant but I think the light reaction adds an extra variable that wouldn't be helpful for the dcukweed index.
When it's happy it will grow over the top of itself and almost convert to emersed type branches where only the base sets of leaves touch the water and root with the offshoots growing up so it's packed an inch or more thick and out of the water supported by other plants below. On the other hand, if it's not happy it disintergrates readily.
I think you'd have to be careful with the RRF as light plays into the colour.
I don’t know how significantly this will be a factor
Yes, that is it, a floating plant has access to <"atmospheric gases"> and will never be carbon limited. It is also nearest the light, so again lack of light shouldn't ever be an issue. The third thing is that they are <"plants adapted to very bright light">, so leaf scorch shouldn't be an issue either.Lymnobium as a floater gets it's carbon from the air, and can be used as good indicator plant for the water column nutrients.
My original Duckweed was Lemna minor, but it has the disadvantage of not enjoying soft water or growing at very low nutrient levels. The advantage of Limnobium (Hydrocharis) laevigatum is that it will grow across the whole range of nutrient and hardness levels.If it doesn't maintain a ' darker' greenish look (like some healthy photo's in this thread), nutrient dosing like N, K, P and/or Mg dosing may do the trick.
Yes, that is exactly it. The most likely non-mobile <"micronutrient deficiency"> is iron (Fe), but any of the 14 essential mineral nutrients can be deficient.When new growth is pale and yellowish, a non mobile nutrient dosing can help. Such as S, Ca, Fe, Mn and other traces like Ni, Cu, Zn and B.
I usually recommend an "All in One" for the mobile nutrients, purely because there are a lot of them, and deficiencies of many of them show similar symptoms. In terms of nutrient addition you can regulate plant growth by varying their amount, but not all plants will grow under a <"lean dosing regime">.For fixing things, it's up to the aquarist to determine whether going for full scale dosing (for instance Estimative Index dry dosing of using an all in one fertilizer), or start checking them individually.
If it is a mobile nutrient that is deficient then the plant should green up pretty quickly once it becomes plant available. I'm not after optimal plant growth, I actually want slow and sustainable growth. The advantage of Amazon Frogbit is that it can <"respond rapidly"> to any <"sudden increase in nutrient levels">, although that response is actually quicker in Lemna minor.It takes time for a plant to recover, so maintaining higher nutrient levels seems logical.
In some ways, for people with harder water, Lemna minor or L. minuta, are still the <"best nutrient indicators (and reducers)">.Did a great job for water quality and saving fry, but had to be scooped out twice a week
<"Removing Duckweed (Lemna minuta) - any natural solutions?">.The Duckweed Index is called the "Duckweed Index" <"because originally it used Lemna minor">.
I stopped ,"using Duckweed">, because:
But give it hard water and plenty of nutrients? It grows like wild fire.
- People have an (irrational) hatred of it.
- I found that it doesn't do well in soft water,
- or under low nutrient conditions,
Those are some of the main advantages, it still grows fast enough to be useful - <"Hi everybody,">, but is much more tolerant of lean dosing and soft water etc.I find Frogbit really useful, responds fast to nutrient deficiencies, and is manageable
<"Salvinia auriculata group"> would be equally suitable for the "Duckweed Index" if it had a <"leaf green"> frond, because of the hairs it is more difficult to judge <"greeness">.Salvinia is present in my tanks, and will brown if Iron or other nutrients are lacking but is still a bit like duckweed and can prove bothersome.
Indian Fern (Ceratopteris spp.) are other plants that <"a lot of us grow">, I use it as an emergent and <"sub-surface floater">.For larger tanks, especially if a bit on the deeper side, Indian fern works fantastically, with great dangling roots and interesting aerial growth, looks great even when planted submerged
Floating plants are really good for fry survival, I think a lot of use have found <"stray surviving fry in our tanks"> in a way that doesn't happen for people who don't have surface plants.simply the best plant for fry salvation, my black mollies are a self perpetuating community thanks to it.