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Water meadow gardening

Hi all,
I was looking at some recent pictures of the pond in the middle of my water garden and remembered this old post from a couple of years ago;
killi69 said:
Along the edges of the lake where collected some of my plants, I found this marginal, which I quite liked the look of. I planted it a couple of baskets to try out. Does anyone know what it might be? Its pretty vigorous from the look of it.
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At the time, people here were thinking it could be either Fool's Watercress or Lesser Water-parsnip, as both look so similar, eg;

dw1305 said:
Hi all, It is almost certainly "Fool's Water-cress" (<"Apium ( Helosciadium) nodiflorum">). Have a look at <"Native plant ID">.

You can't entirely discount Lesser Water-parsnip (<"Berula erecta">) from the photo (<"they are very similar">), but I'm pretty sure it is A. nodiflorum.

cheers Darrel
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Well, as predicted by @Wolf6 and @mort , the plant has spread considerably and will need reigning in, but looks beautiful in flower. Here are some recent pics of the central pond to share with you.

If anyone is able to ID the plant from the flower, do let me know!

Regards,
Andre
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dw1305 said:
The carrot family, now officially the Apiaceae, (what sort of name is that?)
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Comes from 'Apium' - Parsley and Celery... Apia-ke-ai "Is from the family of Apium"

Apium originates from the "Apis" the 'Bee"

'Api-um' means "Preferred by the Bees" and became a pronoun for some plants.

dw1305 said:
Hi all,

The carrot family, now officially the Apiaceae, (what sort of name is that?) but formerly the Umbelliferae and always "Umbellifers" to me.

Cheers Darrel
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They all have the same flower shape (Umbella - Screen/Shade). Umbelliferae - "Is of the family with Umbella-shaped flowers.
(Umbrella is cognate)

'Umbella' flower also makes more sense to me, I guess somebody got nostalgic here and wanted the first original ancient name back.
 
Hi all,
What Marcel (@zozo) says.
zozo said:
'Umbella' flower also makes more sense to me, I guess somebody got nostalgic here and wanted the first original ancient name back.
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It is that they renamed all the families with non-standard names so that they were named after their type genus. This meant that the Cruciferae became the "Brassicae" etc.

Cheers Darrel
 
dw1305 said:
Hi all,
What Marcel (@zozo) says.

It is that they renamed all the families with non-standard names so that they were named after their type genus. This meant that the Cruciferae became the "Brassicae" etc.

Cheers Darrel
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I always find the etymology of the name interesting to get into the head of the botanist that named the plant and to get an idea why it is named like this.

The Crucifer-ae 'Is of the Cross bearing' (Crusiferous Flowers, 4 petals forming a cross).

And Brassica seems to be a Latinization of the alleged Celtic word "Brezi" which means "Cole(slaw)" - 'Cabbage'. Brassic-ae "is of the Coles" (But this linguistic origin is still not certain)

Could it be they are redividing the genus and narrowing it down with name-giving because there are many plants with Cross bearing flowers not from the Cabbage genus?
 
Hi all,
zozo said:
I always find the etymology of the name interesting to get into the head of the botanist that named the plant and to get an idea why it is named like this.
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zozo said:
Could it be they are redividing the genus and narrowing it down with name-giving because there are many plants with Cross bearing flowers not from the Cabbage genus?
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There has been some shuffling of names, mainly because DNA has shown that the relationships between plants is <"slightly different from the existing taxonomy">, but many names are still the ones that <"Linnaeus first used">.

For <"plants cladistics"> and DNA have largely confirmed the classification based on floral structure. I'll try and find the exact statement about the name changes

Cheers Darrel
 
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Hi all,
dw1305 said:
I'll try and find the exact statement about the name changes
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This one <"International Code of Botanical Nomenclature">.
18.5. The following names, of long usage, are treated as validly published: Palmae (Arecaceae; type, Areca L.); Gramineae (Poaceae; type, Poa L.); Cruciferae (Brassicaceae; type, Brassica L.); Leguminosae (Fabaceae; type, Faba Mill. [= Vicia L.]); Guttiferae (Clusiaceae; type, Clusia L.); Umbelliferae (Apiaceae; type, Apium L.); Labiatae (Lamiaceae; type, Lamium L.); Compositae (Asteraceae; type, Aster L.). When the Papilionaceae (Fabaceae; type, Faba Mill.) are regarded as a family distinct from the remainder of the Leguminosae, the name Papilionaceae is conserved against Leguminosae.
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Where the name has "L." after it it was named by <"Linnaeus">.

cheers Darrel
 
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