Outdoor Planted Tank. (Vietnam) Possible? **Pics Page 4**

[ghostsword]

About ferts.. 🙂 lots of it and would also do enough water changes.. Why not add co2, even just a bit?


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[Stickleback]

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Just a question for anyone who has kindly bothered to read this far. What fert routine would you go for in this scenario?

Typically, the weekly dose I use is around one fifth of that recommended for high-energy tanks. The dose is small enough that ready made liquid nutrient formulations like TNC Complete are economical for me to use.

But you can also use dry salts. The standard regime, for say a 20 gallon low energy tank, is to dose once every week or two with the following; 1/4 teaspoon of GH booster, plus 1/8 and 1/32 of a teaspoon of KNO3 (potassium nitrate) and KH2PO4 (monopotassium phosphate) respectively. The ratios can be scaled up or down to suit any size of tank. This relatively low dosing regime also means that regular water changes are not needed. Instead simply missing a dose every so often, about once a month or two will suffice.

Check out Tom's article on non-CO2 methods in the BarrReport http://www.barrreport.com/showthread.ph ... O2-methods.

Great thanks for that Troi.

Amazingly I have managed to source Sphagnum moss peat in Vietnam (Love google translate) so I will hopefully be following your technique fairly closely.

Thanks everyone else for the kind comments. Will update more soon.

 

[Stickleback]

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Hi

This is specifically a question for Troi, but I would also be very interested in anyone else's opinion.

The Sphagnum moss peat didn't quite arrive as expected.

So I have a limited and imperfect set of ingredients for my substrate. They consist of the following.

Borneo Wild Aquarium Plant Substrate
Sterilized loam.
Soil from a Flower bed.
The (supposedly Sphagnum moss peat) soil detailed below.

In the absence of any other advice I will probably just chuck 25% of each in, cap it with gravel and hope for the best.

What do you reckon?

Here is the google translate page of the (supposedly Sphagnum peat) soil contents.

Micro-organic fertilizer Gianh River

Ingredients

Humidity: 30% Organic: 15%; 5hh P 2 O 1.5%, Humic Acid: 2.5%;
Secondary nutrients: Ca: 1.0%, Mg: 0.5%, S: 0.3%;
The useful microorganisms: Aspergillus sp: 1 x 10 6 CFU / g; Azotobacter: 1x10 6 CFU / g; Bacillus: 1x10 6 CFU / g.
Effect
- Providing organic mulch has been activated, the necessary nutrients for plants, microorganisms corporations helpful.
- To improve and increase soil fertility, help balance the ecosystem field, environmental protection;
- Helps keep plants moist, drought tolerant, hardy, increased resistance to fungal disease treatment;
- To promote maximum efficiency of mineral elements - China - For the amount, helps plants absorb nutrients faster;
- Stimulates root growth, plants grow better, improve productivity and value of agricultural products.

How to use
Basal, apply universally to other crops.

The amount of fertilizer:

+ Use the 1.5 to 3.0 kg / plant for root crops: rubber, coffee, pepper, cashew, cocoa, dragon fruit, grapes, fruit trees ...
+ Use 150-300 kg/1000m 2 for crops: tea, rice, wheat, sugarcane, corn, beans, vegetables ...
Used in conjunction with other products of Fertilizer Gianh River to bring optimal results.

Preservation of use
Preservation of dry, cool; Wash hands thoroughly after use.
Product safety for humans and animals, without causing environmental pollution

(See Documentation fertilizer use Gianh River)

 

[Guest]

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Needless to say I am not at all familiar with this product so I don't really have a scooby doo. But reading the ingredients it appears more like an fertilized organic mulch rather than moss peat. Unless you know better I'd be wary of using it in an aquarium.

Perhaps Darrel memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=484 or Clive memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=36 could offer you the benefit of their considerable wisdom.

Your substrate mix ratios sound fine. I tend to favor more peat - about 50% or more overall - since as it decomposes it gives off CO2. But equally, you can do without, it's not essential. Though again I am not familiar with Borneo Wild Aquarium Plant Substrate either, but it sounds fine.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

 

[dw1305]

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Hi all,

But reading the ingredients it appears more like an fertilized organic mulch rather than moss peat. Unless you know better I'd be wary of using it in an aquarium.

Perhaps Darrel or Clive could offer you the benefit of their considerable wisdom.

No, none the wiser, but definitely sounds like Troi is on the right track. I'd be tempted to try a good handful of sterilized loam (or soil from a flower-bed), and what-ever dead leaves you can find locally. I'd just place them in a layer and pour a sand capping over them. I do something similar, although as I want a fairly nutrient poor substrate I use 90% sand and about 5% each clay and leaf litter.

I don't think it is an exact science.

Your best hope for some sphagnum would be a specialist orchid nursery <http://lcnursery.wordpress.com/2010/10/04/sphagnum-moss-sebagai-media-tanam-anggrek/>

cheers Darrel

 

[Alastair]

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Does the Borneo wild substrate need capping? I thought its similar to columbo, ebi etc so shouldn't need capping mate.


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Great, thanks for help guys.

So I think I will ditch the fertilized soil. The more I think about it the more I worry about what dodgy additives it may contain. Vietnam is definitely not going down the organic route at the moment.

Does the Borneo wild substrate need capping? I thought its similar to columbo, ebi etc so shouldn't need capping mate.

I checked with the supplier and you are right. So I can use a soil compost substrate and cap with Borneo wild, although I will mix with gravel for aesthetic reasons.

So taking on board everyone's advice, how about I make up the substrate as follows:

1/3 Borneo Wild
1/3 Mature soil from flower bed
1/3 Sterilzed loam

(Just plucking that mix out of thin air, if you have a better suggestion of ratios please let me know)

Capped with a 50/50 mix of Borneo Wild and gravel.

Good recipe? Think it will make a nice Vietnamese soup (Pho)?

S

 

[Guest]

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Sounds fine, like Darrel said it's not an exact science, experimentation is all part of the fun...that is within limits 🙂

 

[Stickleback]

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Hi

Would there be any point in adding dried sphagnum moss (not peat) in to the mix?

S

 

[Guest]

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I'd just go with the Borneo, soil, and loam.

 

[dw1305]

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Hi all,

Would there be any point in adding dried sphagnum moss (not peat) in to the mix?

If you wanted to lower the hardness and pH it has a high CEC and will exchange H+ ions for Ca++ ions (it has a very low "base percent saturation"). It certainly won't do any harm.

The moss itself is almost 100% carbon, so it will only decompose fairly slowly.

cheers Darrel

 

[Little-AL]

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Looks stunning so far! Those wood pieces will look great...

Be intrigued to see it all planted up and running 🙂


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