Mr.Shenanagins
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I’m having this issue with my Ludwigia Rubin and diamond, where they suddenly just starting draining chlorophyll from their leaves and then turn to mush. Anyone seen this before or maybe have insight as to what’s happening?
Hi @Mr.Shenanagins What are you dosing? and are you injecting CO2 ? If not a CO2/flow issue, it might be an Iron or Magnesium deficiency which is closely related to, among other things, chlorophyll production.I’m having this issue with my Ludwigia Rubin and diamond, where they suddenly just starting draining chlorophyll from their leaves and then turn to mush. Anyone seen this before or maybe have insight as to what’s happening? View attachment 179328
Most likely before the last water change, I had a dead fish that was being eaten because I could see it was pecked at. I didn’t find that fish until I saw one of my SAE at the bottom upside down and he had a red swollen belly.any possible ammonia spikes??
I have in the past hit some rocks with a syringe and the Ludwigia was nearby.Hi
Have you dosed any Easycarbo or similar products lately? They can be harsh on some plants if not diluted properly.
Regards Konstantin
Hi @Mr.Shenanagins It could very well be Iron deficiency (Magnesium deficiency also come to mind). I have been front loading all my Macros for a long time now as well (also targeting ~10ppm of PO4 which is known to interact with Iron) without issues, but also hedge my bets vs Iron with relatively high dosing - targeting 1ppm of FeDTPA/weekly and an occasional (most often than not..) midweek dose of Seachem Iron (Fe Gluconate). Maybe related, maybe not.@MichaelJ I’m dosing about .23 ppm of iron every other day, with .15 of it from DTPA. I know I have hard water I just don’t know how hard, my water company is useless and gives no useful info about parameters. It’s very possible my iron is precipitating out. A couple weeks ago I started front loading macros for a couple weeks now, but this issue has surfaced before that.
Is this a fact Stan, or just your personal observations? I appreciate that not doing water changes is working for you atm and you're excited about this, but it doesn't mean it works for everyone.Leaf problems are usually initiated by overly large water changes
Hi @John q I agree, but I would put it slightly more pointed than that. In my opinion the highly controversial "less/no water changes" advice doesn't pass the smell test (pun intended), unless it is accompanied by a clear expression of an understanding of the trade-offs and the reason why it might work in specific cases and why most of us do very regular water changes in the first place and the reasons why we are doing so. Sorry, it's just getting really long in the tooth to have to argue this "no water change" balderdash when we all know that this is generally a terrible advice. Anyway, Stan can and should post whatever he wants (applicable to forum rules), but should be let know that "less/no water changes" is not idée reçue.What works for one might not necessarily work for another.
HiI have in the past hit some rocks with a syringe and the Ludwigia was nearby.
less/no water changes" is not idée reçue.
Now is the 1ppm iron alone or that includes the rest of your micros? I’ll prob start dosing closer to 1-1.5 of DTPA and see if that helps. I have also noticed some of my downoi is coming in whiter than usual on the new leaves.Hi @Mr.Shenanagins It could very well be Iron deficiency (Magnesium deficiency also come to mind). I have been front loading all my Macros for a long time now as well (also targeting ~10ppm of PO4 which is known to interact with Iron) without issues, but also hedge my bets vs Iron with relatively high dosing - targeting 1ppm of FeDTPA/weekly and an occasional (most often than not..) midweek dose of Seachem Iron (Fe Gluconate). Maybe related, maybe not.
Cheers,
Michael
Hi @Mr.Shenanagins I am sorry, I got the acronym wrong! Its EDTA not DTPA - this trace mix product. I am targeting ~1ppm of Fe alone and add an additional 0.2 ppm/wk using Seachem Flourish Iron, or 1.2 ppm/wk in total.Now is the 1ppm iron alone or that includes the rest of your micros? I’ll prob start dosing closer to 1-1.5 of DTPA and see if that helps. I have also noticed some of my downoi is coming in whiter than usual on the new leaves.
I have in the past hit some rocks with a syringe and the Ludwigia was nearby.
Overlooked that @Mr.Shenanagins had applied Glutaraldehyde nearby the plants... I've experienced very similar melt-like symptoms when occasionally using Excel for spot treatments.I agree with @Konsa - looks like Glut damage to me. Are the affected leaves turning to mush?
In my experience, on the contrary. It will kill it and clear the rock in a few days. The trick is to keep it from coming back. But your probably right, I have my Twinstar at 100 for several hours but I do that to get the bright reds out of my Ludwigia, rotala, and limnophila aromatica.If you are getting GSA on your rocks, firstly glut won't do much of anything to it