Good luck with the Lineata, had to be one of the best fish I’ve kept. The male was stunning.
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How to get nurii rosen to grow in blackwater
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I've always struggled with Nurii in soft water tanks, but in harder tap water tanks it grows like a weed!
Crypts I've had no issues growing softer water are Beckettii 'petchii', Spiralis tiger and red and X purpure. Some of them take a long time to get started, but are fine once they're going.
Crypts I've had no issues growing softer water are Beckettii 'petchii', Spiralis tiger and red and X purpure. Some of them take a long time to get started, but are fine once they're going.
I have 'petchii' but it was too new to make a statement and yes spiralis tiger red is growing quite well without co2 or strong light. Never heard of X purpure - if that is purpurea it is described as some sort of hybrid.
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When i receive the 4 i did order i'll take a picture label the aquarium and post it and then in 4 to 8 months repeat to see how they do 😉
This closely related species was sold to me as a. lineata (not the ones that will arrive in a few weeks - fingers crossed nothing goes wrong); i really like this fish but it is colourless at least in my environment. It also has a good personality - it doesn't run and hide like my a. wolli but it also doesn't beg and expect me to drop food in its mouth like a. winekelfleck i have:
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I have 4 weeks old frys right now i'm raising though it is early to know if they will make it all the way.
For historical reasons you should indicate what type of tap water you have for example I have kh 3 gh 6 and yes it grows well enough to post these but not as well with co2.
Pink jacobii?
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Cryptocoryne Pink Line Rosen Maiden Nurii possibly?
Cryptocoryne Rosen Maiden Nurii
Cyryptocoryne cordata var siamensis veined plant.
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Cryptocoryne Pink Line Rosen Maiden Nurii possibly?
Cryptocoryne Rosen Maiden Nurii
Cyryptocoryne cordata var siamensis veined plant.
but the problem with saying it grows well in tap water is if a person has tap water that is exceptionally soft like those lucky folks in portland oregon it might not grow as well.
Fair point, though I did say "harder tap water". My tap water is around 6dKH / 12dGH.
Yes, Purpurea - iPhone autocorrect. Its a lovely looking crypt - available from Dennerle invitro.
This is what i planted:
601 -> c. Ferruginea Sekadauensis (bit clueless about this plant)
78 -> c. Green Gecko
between 78 and 975 behind them is 267
975 -> c. Yujii
267 -> echinodorus reni (you can't really see it in this picture)
180 -> echinodorus big bear (it is a large plant in the very back -. not label)
213 -> is more of 975
164 -> c. undulatus red
983 (i have 923) is c. Willisii
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between 164 and 923 labels is some old c. affinis i have (it is sold as c. pink jacobi in us)
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In the back (not visible is Lagenandra Meeboldii (tissue)
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291 -> echinodorus hadi red pearl
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In the back not visible some anubia golden (sold as tissue)
a fancy twist - it is the large sword near the big bear - i think it will stay smaller
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I put in too much driftwood so not a lot of room for plants as I have two more i want to add
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If things 'take' off i'll have to move things around later as it is too crowded - i suspect i won't love Ferruginea Sekadauensis.
I would love to get some c. purpurea but no one in the USA has it and sg and de won't ship it to usa.
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About a week before i get the fishes i'll be throwing in some leaves and when i get the fishes i'll turn the lights down.
I'm tempted to remove one of the three pieces of driftwood so i can have more plants but i guess the fishes will prefer the cave options 🙁
Trade off me or the fishes me or the fishes... sigh.
601 -> c. Ferruginea Sekadauensis (bit clueless about this plant)
78 -> c. Green Gecko
between 78 and 975 behind them is 267
975 -> c. Yujii
267 -> echinodorus reni (you can't really see it in this picture)
180 -> echinodorus big bear (it is a large plant in the very back -. not label)
213 -> is more of 975
164 -> c. undulatus red
983 (i have 923) is c. Willisii
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between 164 and 923 labels is some old c. affinis i have (it is sold as c. pink jacobi in us)
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In the back (not visible is Lagenandra Meeboldii (tissue)
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291 -> echinodorus hadi red pearl
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In the back not visible some anubia golden (sold as tissue)
a fancy twist - it is the large sword near the big bear - i think it will stay smaller
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I put in too much driftwood so not a lot of room for plants as I have two more i want to add
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If things 'take' off i'll have to move things around later as it is too crowded - i suspect i won't love Ferruginea Sekadauensis.
I would love to get some c. purpurea but no one in the USA has it and sg and de won't ship it to usa.
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About a week before i get the fishes i'll be throwing in some leaves and when i get the fishes i'll turn the lights down.
I'm tempted to remove one of the three pieces of driftwood so i can have more plants but i guess the fishes will prefer the cave options 🙁
Trade off me or the fishes me or the fishes... sigh.
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Minor update - all the crypts melted into soup; no clue if that is normal for tissue culture and i guess i'll wait up to 6 weeks to see if it regrows; also if you look carefully you can see that e (#267 in the above pictures) on the right front that was covered up by the crypts and i added one new plant - a Nymphaea sp. Peru Puerto Maldonado in the back middle and you can see the leaves. Not sure how it will do; that anubia on the left front has sprouted a new leaf but i tend to take those things as in progress before i received the plant.
greenbliss
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I wonder if you should grow them in a tub/propagator first outside of water then transplant them in. usually in large scale TC businesses they do this anyways before selling the plants on
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ElleDee
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Oh no! I've grown a few crypts from TC and only one melted and it never recovered. The plantlets looked sketchy going in, so I wasn't surprised when they didn't make it. Hopefully you didn't plant everything in this tank...?
It might be hard to transition TC plants directly into blackwater though. I have soft water, but remineralize to 4-6 dGH - nothing like the water you're going for. How mature is the tank? That could also be a factor.
It might be hard to transition TC plants directly into blackwater though. I have soft water, but remineralize to 4-6 dGH - nothing like the water you're going for. How mature is the tank? That could also be a factor.
Well per beginning of this thread it has not fishes. I did put in a nice group of root tabs around all the new plants. The 'e's are doing better and showing some growth. Not sure what advantage a tub would have - the light on the tank is pretty strong and set fairly high for now; unless of course the tub had a different sort of water. The bulk of the tc went into the tank but some of them had extra that went into another.
Ok this morning i took a look with a magnifying class and at leas two of them (c. undulatus red and c. Yujii (I think)) showed either new leaf forming or new roots so most of them aren't 'dead' at least not yet. I'll probably wait about 30 days for another update after all plants move much slower than turtles.
By far the most successful results I personally achieve transitioning TC Crypts is wedging them in the top of a bunch of Buce so the leaves are just breaking the surface in a well mature, lean dosed and 15mg/l CO2 aquarium, I'm not sure it's the right way but it works for me. The only problem I've encountered is having too many once they start growing.
greenbliss
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If they don't end up growing back, it might be worth trying another batch in a propagator emersed. It might be worth trying to find some nice leaf mould as it is the right time of year now (getting close at least) and they grow well in it. Then when the small plants are less delicate and have a few adult leaves transplant them under water. TC plants are basically in a juvenile state so are more delicate. Adult crypts are different. I knew someone who had a massive die off and it seemed pretty dire but then they bounce back seemingly from nothing. Adult plants not TC though.
Leaf mould is acidic so it would be similar conditions pH wise. If the plants were in an adult stage they would handle being transplanted just fine. In nature there can be big floods and the plants suddenly need to convert from the terrestrial to aquatic state but they are pretty well equipped to handle that. So I think growing them FIRST out of water is worth considering 100%. I hope that makes sense as I'm fuzzy headed but I've seen it work myself.
Leaf mould is acidic so it would be similar conditions pH wise. If the plants were in an adult stage they would handle being transplanted just fine. In nature there can be big floods and the plants suddenly need to convert from the terrestrial to aquatic state but they are pretty well equipped to handle that. So I think growing them FIRST out of water is worth considering 100%. I hope that makes sense as I'm fuzzy headed but I've seen it work myself.
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I'll post an updated picture in a bit;but right now it appears everything recovered (or is showing growth) but the c. Ferruginea Sekadauensis and c. green greco. I"m a bit surprise the c. green greco didn't grow as it came in good condition (there is one spot that might still be showing signs of something or it might be a bit of alage not sure); the c. Ferruginea Sekadauensis looked a bit dead when i received it so not so shocking. I did manage to hunt down some c. Purpurea and traded some c. nurri rosen for them; but they were just planted a few days ago.
I'd like to get some more green greco as it is a really nice plant - i know someone who sometimes sells adult plants so i might ping them; i'm not sure the c. ferruginea sekadauensis is worth the trouble - i mean sure it has a neat name but ....
I'd like to get some more green greco as it is a really nice plant - i know someone who sometimes sells adult plants so i might ping them; i'm not sure the c. ferruginea sekadauensis is worth the trouble - i mean sure it has a neat name but ....
Some updated pictures:
c. ferrguinea sekadaunsis - looks completely dead but i found a nice picture of what it shoudl look like so ordered some more from another vendor - to be honest it looked dead when i got it.
c. green gecko - this is the shocker to me if you look at the original picture it looked really good - there is a slight chance there is a bit of activity on the left but not sure so will give it more time
c. yujii i think
c. undulatus:
c. willsii i think
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full aquarium
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I added some c. purpurea it is in the center where the two pieces of driftwood cross; i also added an interested lily in the back and you can see the tall leaf - hum it is called: Nymphaea sp. Peru Puerto Maldonado; the last one didn't do great so this one i will keep an eye on. What else did i add - i think the large anubia on the two ends might be new. Kind of stuff full of plants need a larger aquarium. Oh well. I'll try to be more patient and wait a full month before another update - it really only been a couple of weeks since the last update.
c. ferrguinea sekadaunsis - looks completely dead but i found a nice picture of what it shoudl look like so ordered some more from another vendor - to be honest it looked dead when i got it.
c. green gecko - this is the shocker to me if you look at the original picture it looked really good - there is a slight chance there is a bit of activity on the left but not sure so will give it more time
c. yujii i think
c. undulatus:
c. willsii i think
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full aquarium
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I added some c. purpurea it is in the center where the two pieces of driftwood cross; i also added an interested lily in the back and you can see the tall leaf - hum it is called: Nymphaea sp. Peru Puerto Maldonado; the last one didn't do great so this one i will keep an eye on. What else did i add - i think the large anubia on the two ends might be new. Kind of stuff full of plants need a larger aquarium. Oh well. I'll try to be more patient and wait a full month before another update - it really only been a couple of weeks since the last update.
ElleDee
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Where did you find that C. purpurea? I have only seen it as TC for sale, and I love to learn about new sources of plants.
I traded a bunch of nurii rosens (3 varities) and jacobi pink to another hobbist who was kind enough to send it to me. But if you live in the southeast you are at least near me relatively to someone who lives in the far west so maybe one day in 20 years when it sends runners i can send you some.
ElleDee
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That is so kind, but I have that particular one. It makes sense you got it from another hobbyist, and even then it's not too common. Mine started as TC and yeah, pretty slow growing even compared to other crypts IME. It was one of three crypt species in a nano tank I just took down, and a single original plant had made about a dozen runners in four years, which is way fewer than I got from the other two. It's very pretty though and the leaves are so distinct you can easily pick them out in a sea of other crypts. Definitely worth having, glad you were able to track it down.
