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Help with micro ferts please already dosing macro solufeed 214

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I am currently dosing solufeed 214 for macro and have been for approximately 3 months, I have not dosed any micro ferts and just began macro/micro/macro/micro/macro for mon-fri using profito for micro.

I wondered if a member could point me in the direction for diy dry ferts micro, I don't seem to be able to open the web page on solufeed for the micro but I noticed they do have a liquid that is suitable for micro - can anybody shine any light on the liquid dosage from solufeed for micros please or any other dry ferts for micros.


Thankyou.
 
I am really no expert, and I'm not a scientist and I have never tried using fancy special dry mixes for aquariums or hydroponics. I also don't do lot of water column fertilising but when I do, I use High Potash Tomato Feed, Chempak, 11-9-30, cheap to buy from a good garden centre, a box might last you a lifetime as an aquarist. More Phosphate than ideally I'd like and more Nitrate perhaps than I need, I have a lot of fish, but great Potassium levels and all the trace elements you will ever need, unless your water is very hard in which case you might want to dose some extra chelated Iron. I gently add a small diluted amount until I hit about 20 ppm of Nitrate, I dose gently over several days monitoring carefully, and then I let that ride down and then dose again. But only about once every two or three months, I do have Nitrate rich tabs in the compost under my sand, though I think Tropica tabs are a bit Nitrate rich, cheaper alternatives exist with more Potassium. I know, that's not proper EI.
TNC do a pretty good general premixed solution, but its not cheap for a large tank. They also have a great high Potassium no Nitrate no Phosphate loads of Trace elements solution. Aquarium Design Amano advocate lean dosing, so it is not a ludicrous way to proceed. Properly i.e. carefully, fertilising plants does not cause algae, but polluted water overloaded with Phosphate and Nitrate does lead to eutrophication especially in warm water with lots of light, and I use lots of light.
 
Is the above macro and micro combined ? An all in one if you will ? I'll check contents to see what's in there.

I'm happy with the macro side of my dosing but looking for a cheaper option than profito for micro dosing.
 
11-9-30 is the macro element, standard industry measurement, NPK, Nitrate, Phosphate and Potassium, the Tomato feed is rich in Iron 0.5. Not completely sure why folks want to dose micro and macro separately unless there is a high fish load or very rich soil based substrate leeching nutrients. Chempak used to do a micro mix but discontinued I fear, they do however, a low Nitrate feed which I haven't used, it is high in Phosphate but. However, at less than a tenner for 150 water cans of solution the Tomato feed mix is a cheap and effective way to address all the nutrients needs of aquarium plants, though myself, for crypts etc., I like a rich substrate and as I said I go light on dosing the water column. I find one mix, 5 litres, lasts me a year on a 250 litre heavily planted tank. In this hobby, there are always companies looking to empty your wallet with products of a very similar nature to cheap and cheerful alternatives.
 
I am currently dosing solufeed 214 for macro and have been for approximately 3 months, I have not dosed any micro ferts and just began macro/micro/macro/micro/macro for mon-fri using profito for micro.

I wondered if a member could point me in the direction for diy dry ferts micro, I don't seem to be able to open the web page on solufeed for the micro but I noticed they do have a liquid that is suitable for micro - can anybody shine any light on the liquid dosage from solufeed for micros please or any other dry ferts for micros.


Thankyou.
I'm sure you've come across this thread already? It's pretty simple to either combine these products or use them individually, and you can easily create your own solutions at home.

I don't own any of these products myself since I'm based in the USA, but I created this thread because people were looking for alternative options. The combination I shared is based on what I think provides a good overall balance.

If you're really interested, feel free to share more details about your setup, goals, and parameters, and we'd be happy to assist you further.
 
11-9-30 is the macro element, standard industry measurement, NPK, Nitrate, Phosphate and Potassium, the Tomato feed is rich in Iron 0.5. Not completely sure why folks want to dose micro and macro separately unless there is a high fish load or very rich soil based substrate leeching nutrients. Chempak used to do a micro mix but discontinued I fear, they do however, a low Nitrate feed which I haven't used, it is high in Phosphate but. However, at less than a tenner for 150 water cans of solution the Tomato feed mix is a cheap and effective way to address all the nutrients needs of aquarium plants, though myself, for crypts etc., I like a rich substrate and as I said I go light on dosing the water column. I find one mix, 5 litres, lasts me a year on a 250 litre heavily planted tank. In this hobby, there are always companies looking to empty your wallet with products of a very similar nature to cheap and cheerful alternatives.
Thankyou for taking the time to explain.
What kind of dose are you mixing with please ?

Specifically grams to liquid to mls dosed into the water column?

I have a box of chempak tomato feed arriving today.

Thankyou
 
Really good question, suspect you are more scientific than me. I follow the box instructions, using the little spoon, which is one 5 ml to 5 litres for the solution, 750 g box, 5 g spoon. But after that I go really gently. I tend to add only a litre of the solution to my 250 litre tank and test, an hour or so later. That is unless I have previously tested and got a zero test result or noticed signs of deficiency, browning on floating plants seems a key feature of nutrient exhaustion in the water column, assuming the lights are not too hot or intense and simply burning or bleaching them. I absolutely never add more than two litres at one go, I aim for between 10 ppm and 20 ppm of Nitrate, falling within a fortnight to zero. I harvest a lot of floating plants, thus, so long as I don't go above 20 ppm of Nitrate in the water column, I can normally get a zero reading again within a week or two without a water change. As I think I said before I don't follow EI. I absolutely don't do 50% water changes and reset. My water is quite hard, TDS above 250 and KH above 16 and a 50% change is beyond my normal supply of rain water to keep my tank within more acceptable parameters, except of course when it has been very wet, I have two water butts. Also, partly because sometimes, in the summer, I can have more than 20 ppm of Nitrate in my tap water, twice I have measured at least 40 ppm, readings which I know, my water authority would dispute. Such high Nitrate readings will make dosing unnecessary at best, and detrimental at worst. However, the last time I had high Nitrate in my tap water was back in the summer of 2022, it has been wet enough since, to ensure my mains supply has been pretty unpolluted. River extraction when flow is low, is I think the explanation here where I live in Berkshire. I do however, a pretty regular dip test, at least once a fortnight and a proper Nitrate and Phosphate drop test occasionally, the latter maybe every couple of months or if I suspect an issue, I aim to keep Phosphate low, below 1 ppm. I find much above that level for any time and you get an algae problem. I also occasionally test my KH, I try and keep it below 10, ideally below 8, and I use a general dissolved solids metre at least once a week, and after every water change. I aim to keep my main tank at least below 200 ppm total, ideally below 175, dissolved solids. Only if I have high Nitrate or Phosphate do I change more than 10% of my tank water. I also run a small tank, also with injected CO2, water volumes are less of an issue there, and I keep my KH below 6 and TDS below 125. It is thus a little haven for plants. With two LED lights I can grow virtually anything in that tank. However, I will add chelated Iron if I spot deficiencies, generally I use Doff Sequestered Iron, one little packet from the five in the box lasts me a year, when I lived in London and had even harder water to contend with, I used at least two a year on a five foot tank.

Apart from fish food, electricity and CO2, I run my tanks for pennies. I use upwards of 15 KG of CO2 however, a year, I could run my 4 foot for less in CO2 but I would have to drop the hardness more. In terms of new plants and fertiliser, I spend almost nothing. In fact my local tropical fish was, for some time, giving me significant credit for decent crypts which easily paid for my fish food, however, of late I have been lazy and been simply composting surplus crypts with floating plants and stem plants.

Really good luck to you but if I have any real, unsolicited advice, after 55 plus years in the hobby, it is to go really gently with any changes to Hardness, CO2 levels, lighting or water column fertilisation, sadly, be willing to euthanize fish when necessary and most importantly and finally, either quarantine fish and or, use a UV, I do both of the latter, nobody wants to have to try and treat disease in a fully furnished, mature and well running tank, and apart from treatments for white spot don't buy any from the shelves of the store, they are all apart from white spot treatment of very limited use.
 
Hi all,
That is unless I have previously tested and got a zero test result
I would always treat nitrate (NO3-) test results with a certain degree of scepticism, it isn't that nitrate levels aren't important, it is just <"testing for nitrate"> is a lot <"more problematic"> than most literature would suggest.
and a proper Nitrate and Phosphate drop test occasionally, the latter maybe every couple of months or if I suspect an issue,
Drop tests (<"semi-titrimetric methods">) are likely to be more accurate, but personally? I still wouldn't make decisions based upon them.
or noticed signs of deficiency, browning on floating plants seems a key feature of nutrient exhaustion in the water column
The genesis for the development of both the <"Duckweed and Estimative indices"> was the difficulties in nitrate testing away from the lab. Both were developed (entirely independently) to do away with a nitrate measurement requirement. I like the Duckweed Index, simply because the "plants can't lie".

Since I started working with Ecologists I've been a lot more open to the advantages <"biotic indices"> etc.
However, I will add chelated Iron if I spot deficiencies
That is an area where the Duckweed Index breaks down, I've made efforts to <"address this">.
, assuming the lights are too hot or intense and simply burning or bleaching them.
Floating plants are adapted to intense tropical sunlight, so normally reddening or browning (even if caused by <"anthocyanin production">) is associated with nutrient deficiencies (and lower chlorophyll levels).

cheers Darrel
 
Thanks Darrel, and I will follow the links. Appreciate the time and interest from you.

I certainly I have found test strips very hit and miss, I have had a dodgy batch or two and some manufacturers seem to be consistently better than others, and, all test and drop kits, are actually hard to read - the manufacturers can blame my failing eyesight - the printed cards are rarely true to life and as for the apps some push, found the mobile camera readings a nightmare, some simply mad feedback. However, for routine broad checks, dip strips are cheap and easy to use.

Back in the super hot summer of 2022 I had consistently had high readings for Nitrate over a few days, with two separate brands of dip strips and a drop test after I spotted algae issues. My local tropical fish shop was also convinced their water supply was abnormally high in Nitrates for a few days. How high the levels actually were of course is impossible to know without decent and very expensive equipment.

I have in the past seen singe marks on plants with lights, T5 tubes got very hot, my LEDs now, cheap less than £20 a piece jobs, mounted about 8 inches above the tank do not burn or bleach plants.

I think my drop test kits are accurate enough, not fully precise, I test occasionally, tap water, water from a Brita filter, both my tanks, my two ponds (one nature one filtered with goldfish) and the water from my condensing tumble drier and my two water butts. Broadly, I can get a good range from all this different sources in repeated tests with drop test kits, the strips are, much more hit and miss.

Great response from you, always enjoy your open minded posts, though I myself, despite repeated experiments cannot get rooted plants to survive on working undergravel plates. Two years ago after a post from you I gave them another go after 30 years of not using them, plants failed within two months. Win some, lose some. Cheers.
 
Hi all,
Broadly, I can get a good range from all this different sources in repeated tests with drop test kits, the strips are, much more hit and miss.
Fair enough, they probably are right. If you understand <"the scientific method"> and get reproducible results? Then that is good enough for me.
Back in the super hot summer of 2022 I had consistently had high readings for Nitrate over a few days, with two separate brands of dip strips and a drop test after I spotted algae issues. My local tropical fish shop was also convinced their water supply was abnormally high in Nitrates for a few days. How high the levels actually were of course is impossible to know without decent and very expensive equipment.
There certainly are breaches of the 50 mg/L limit for NO3- in tap water, but Thames Water should have reported them. Unfortunately "should" <"is the issue">.
I have in the past seen singe marks on plants with lights, T5 tubes got very hot, my LEDs now, cheap less than £20 a piece jobs, mounted about 8 inches above the tank do not burn or bleach plants.
You can see that here, where an <"Anubias barteri leaf"> has been in contact with the light diffuser - <"Something dense for the back">.
I test occasionally, tap water, water from a Brita filter, both my tanks, my two ponds (one nature one filtered with goldfish) and the water from my condensing tumble drier and my two water butts
I mainly <"use conductivity"> ("ppm TDS") as a measure (I saw you use it as well). It isn't ideal, but the meters are relatively inexpensive, don't have any consumables and are pretty accurate over a whole range of water conditions.
though I myself, despite repeated experiments cannot get rooted plants to survive on working undergravel plates. Two years ago after a post from you I gave them another go after 30 years of not using them, plants failed within two months.
Honestly that is <"a nutrient effect">, and only indirectly related to the undergravel filter. All plants can <"take up nutrients through their foliage"> from the water column. As an example <"all of our Tomatoes"> (and most of our <"Aquarium plants">) are grown hydroponically, in an analogous system.

Your problems were because conditions in the substrate are rendering at <"least one nutrient unavailable">, almost certainly via the formation of <"insoluble compounds"> in oxidising conditions, this process is exacerbated in harder, carbonate rich water.

cheers Darrel
 
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What a cracker response Darrel, as a kid in Belfast late 1960s early 70s, a friend of mine grew plants very successfully on under gravel plates with two domestic T8 tubes, relatively shallow tank, maybe 15 inches. But of course Belfast tap water, from then the Mourne mountains, from granite bedrock and is/was then, very soft and ideal for tetras. In London in the late 1980s I turned plates off, left them in situ and within days, plants started growing new leaves, very hard water of course from chalk. Right now I have chores to do! Off and and out and thanks again.
 
Hi all,
What a cracker response Darrel,
I'm pleased you have found it useful. I always like to think that the answers to all? possible questions are hiding in the UKAPS forums <"High GH and "softening filter""> & <"British summer time">.
...... a friend of mine grew plants very successfully on under gravel plates with two domestic T8 tubes, relatively shallow tank, maybe 15 inches. But of course Belfast tap water, from then the Mourne mountains, from granite bedrock and is/was then, very soft and ideal for tetras.
I've always been a rainwater user, and soft water definitely makes plant growing more trouble free. As well as the calcifuge plants that will only grow in soft water (Tonina, Brasenia sp., etc) there are plants (like <"Rotala rotundifolia">) that are "possible" but need constant plant available iron (Fe++(+)) addition to keep them healthy.

Living a <"little bit to the west of you"> I also have very hard, alkaline tap water, although ours is <"straight out of a deep limestone aquifer"> and low in nitrate (NO3-).
very soft and ideal for tetras
I'm a great believer in <"Horses for Courses"> and working with what you've got for both plants <"and animals">.
In London in the late 1980s I turned plates off, left them in situ and within days, plants started growing new leaves,
So that sounds <"like an oxygen effect">, and probably an <"iron (Fe) availability"> related one.

cheers Darrel
 
I am currently dosing solufeed 214 for macro and have been for approximately 3 months, I have not dosed any micro ferts and just began macro/micro/macro/micro/macro for mon-fri using profito for micro.

I wondered if a member could point me in the direction for diy dry ferts micro, I don't seem to be able to open the web page on solufeed for the micro but I noticed they do have a liquid that is suitable for micro - can anybody shine any light on the liquid dosage from solufeed for micros please or any other dry ferts for micros.


Thankyou.
When you have all your elements, you will always be looking for the best. In fact, a kind of confusion will occur. One plant will respond well while another plant will not. That's why the idea of always being on a search will come.
 
Hi all,
One plant will respond well while another plant will not.
This is the <"horses for courses"> argument. Have a look at the images in @_Maq_'s <"Targeting Potassium"> thread.

I'm <"happy to grow"> the plants <"that survive"> without <"too much intervention"> in my tanks, <"other will try a lot harder"> @Hanuman's photo below.

ai0q0287-14-aug-23-proc-web-jpg-jpg.209779


cheers Darrel
 
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