Ah, maybe I don’t have a deficiency at all…
Post in thread 'Plant deficiencies and the Fe Experiment'
Plant deficiencies and the Fe Experiment
That is the reticulated pattern we've seen a lot on Limnobium , I think it is the start of iron (Fe) deficiency, <"but it may be magnesium (Mg)"> I don't have any proof.My limnobium is clearly deficient of something, but I’m not sure what. could it be magnesium?
I saw that today and it made me laugh, I really like the stripes, so if we could get to the bottom of it it would be useful. It's a shame that @Mick.Dk doesn't post any more as he might know the answer.There are actually frogbit being sold as Tiger Striped frogbit
Well, Darrel, "I think it is the start of iron (Fe) deficiency, <"but it may be magnesium (Mg)"> I don't have any proof." Maybe that is the answer... a slight deficiency in Mg or Fe will promote the tiger stripes... As you know, it's not unusual for plant growers to purposely let their plants be, if not in deficit, then lower amount of certain minerals to promote certain colorations or growing patterns etc.Hi all,
That is the reticulated pattern we've seen a lot on Limnobium , I think it is the start of iron (Fe) deficiency, <"but it may be magnesium (Mg)"> I don't have any proof.
I saw that today and it made me laugh, I really like the stripes, so if we could get to the bottom of it it would be useful. It's a shame that @Mick.Dk doesn't post any more as he might know the answer.
My limnobium is clearly deficient of something, but I’m not sure what. could it be magnesium? It’s all new growth as I cull about 50% every week.
My dosing per week is (in PPM), according to the IFC calculator.
N 3.85
P 1.76
K 12.96
Mg 3.27
Fe 0.492
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Thank you @Happi, does this give you what you need?View attachment 201082
What exactly are you dosing for the Micros ? am not Sure if its fully related to Fe, Mn or Mg at this point, until we could get more detail on the other Parameters and Dosing. you can have several different Deficiency/Toxicity issues going on here at the same time. usually Fe and Mn become more deficient under High PH/KH and I usually give both of these Micros strong importance under such scenarios.
In my case, I got this black tiger stripe you have, followed by it losing colour like yours, but then holes, and then melting. I got improvement with dosing chelated iron suitable for my hard water & high PH. Can you provide details of your water parameters , PH before and after CO2 (if you use CO2), KH & GH? It might not be iron, but if you have hard water or high PH it would be more likely.My limnobium is clearly deficient of something, but I’m not sure what. could it be magnesium? It’s all new growth as I cull about 50% every week.
My dosing per week is (in PPM), according to the IFC calculator.
N 3.85
P 1.76
K 12.96
Mg 3.27
Fe 0.492
View attachment 201018
That has been a <"fairly general finding">.I got improvement with dosing chelated iron suitable for my hard water & high PH.
Fe 0.5
Mn 0.1
Zn 0.07
B 0.064
Cu 0.014
Mo 0.009
The only one I know of where new leaf chlorosis wasn't caused by lack of available iron was @Hufsa , where the cause <"was lack of manganese (Mn)">
Incidentally, that's precisely the Marschner ratio. The problem is that it can't be applied without further consideration as Fe dosing effectiveness is always much lower than 100 %, and in the case of Mn the losses may be more or less significant, too.A Fe:Mn ratio of about 2:1 seemed to perk up my plants immensely.
Thank you.If you make your own ferts then you could just make up a seperate Mn solution booster to increase your weekly addition to 0.25
@Hanuman and @Zeus. Have worked this out for me before so sure it's in the IFC calculator.I k wo where to get 13% EDTA chelated Mn, but the IFC fern calculator doesn’t allow me to calculate how much I need.
@_Maq_ this is really interesting to me. Do you believe that plants roots can access and use these nutrients once precipitated? And do you think there's a chance that this precipitate could lead to toxicities?Then there's a secondary consideration that apart from definite losses within the filter the rest precipitates in the substrate and forms a long-term pool of nutrients.
In "Hydroponics - A Practical Guide for the Soilless Grower", they have a section detailing something like this.@_Maq_ this is really interesting to me. Do you believe that plants roots can access and use these nutrients once precipitated? And do you think there's a chance that this precipitate could lead to toxicities?
Accumulation in the Rooting Medium
It is well known that with each application of a nutrient solution to a rooting medium, whether inorganic (sand, gravel, perlite, rockwool, etc.) or organic (pinebark, peat, coir, etc.), an accumulation of unabsorbed ions takes place. This can be observed by monitoring the EC of the solution exiting or in the rooting medium following a sequence of nutrient solution applications. When that EC measurement reaches a certain level, it is recommended that the rooting medium be leached with water to remove the accumulate. What is not as well known is that another type of accumulation occurs — the formation of precipitates consisting mainly of calcium phosphate and calcium sulfate. As those precipitates form, additional ions can be adsorbed on their surface or chemically combined with the forming precipitates. These precipitates do not contribute to the EC of the medium solution and are not easily leached from the rooting medium by water. The elements in the precipitates then begin to contribute to the elemental nutrition of the growing plant. Roots release acid into the rhizosphere surrounding the root, which dissolves a portion of these precipitates. With time, the accumulated precipitates begin to more strongly influence the plant element nutrition than that being applied by the nutrient solution for some elements. This partially explains why growers seem to lose control of the nutritional character of their crops over time.
That's a really interesting quote. Thanks for sharing that from the book @Hufsa"With time, the accumulated precipitates begin to more strongly influence the plant element nutrition than that being applied by the nutrient solution for some elements."
This is also interesting to me. I always assumed the substrate cleaning was for detritus as well, I wonder if precipitates have any relevance here.For example, Marian Sterian (who makes the Masterline ferts and grows some pretty nice plants) advises a cleaning and reset of the substrate every 3-4 months (I believe). However I cant say exactly why he does this as I do not know.
Yes, good point. My apologies OP - didn't mean to thread-jackIm pretty far off topic now to the original frogbit deficiency, and most dont keep their frogbit rooted into the substrate as far as I know, so maybe we should continue this in a new thread?
Dont worry, derailing a thread in sheer excited nerdiness is a time-honored UKAPS tradition that we all participate in from time to timeYes, good point. My apologies OP - didn't mean to thread-jack![]()
I’ve just found it on the IFC calculator. Thanks for the nudge.@Hanuman and @Zeus. Have worked this out for me before so sure it's in the IFC calculator
Thank you that’s very kind of you. Now that I’ve found it on the IFC calculator I‘m going to try that.Id be happy to help you out with the IFC if you want @hypnogogia![]()