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Endler Fry Apex Predator required!

prdad

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I have a 3x2x2 planted tank with Otto's, Blue neon Gobies, Pygmy Corys, CPD's, Emerald Danios, a breeding lot of Bronze laser Corys and, massive mistake, Endlers. They are approaching plague proportions and looking unlikely to stop.

Has anybody any ideas on a fish which would pick off the fry? But leave the Cory fry? More active at the top of the tank than the bottom?
 
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I think it is a fair question to ask, better to have them be eaten when babies than overpopulate the tank and cause pollution to the water quality.

Almost any omnivorous fish with a mouth big enough to fit the fry in will eat them. I am surprised the CPD's and Emerald Danios are letting so many through, although they may only be big enough to take the smallest endler babies. Maybe a shoal of a tetra species that grow slightly larger than the danios?
 
Harlequins rasboras are fairly large mouthed without being too boisterous. Your best bet would be to rehome the female endlers though. I think anything that very successfully controlled fry numbers would eat cory eggs even if the fry hid at the bottom.
 
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Apologies, I obviously overstepped a mark and totally understand if you'd like to delete the post. On the other hand it could stay and be a heads up to anyone introducing Endlers into a 'nano' fish community.
Theres also some very positive suggestions here that I will take up. I've tried a few local shops but with no luck as yet. If anybody would like to rehome and can collect, then send me a DM please.
 
Quick update, Jaisol called in tonight and picked up a couple of pounds of Endlers 🙂 Saved from an Apex Predator by UKAPS!!
If anybody else wants some, let me know. They managed to drop a load more fry before I netted them from the main tank.
 
Rehoming the fry doesnt stop the issue if you have male and female remaining in the tank. Maybe keep a few male and rehome the female?
To be honest it was becoming too crowded, now the endlers have gone some of the quieter fish are coming forward at feeding time. If I keep thinning the herd, it'll be manageble. Plus free Endlers for UKAPS 🙂
 
Hi all,
If I keep thinning the herd, it'll be manageble.
I'm not sure about that, they aren't Endler's, they are "Endless", livebearers.
Maybe keep a few male and rehome the female?
My suggestion as well.

I'm not suggesting that buying fish to eat the fry is an entirely ethical approach, but if you were to find that you liked the look of some of the Killifish <"Plants suitable for killifish aquariums >> killi.co.uk">? They might be Endler fry predators, without bothering fry of the Corydoras.

cheers Darrel
 
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Errrmmm... a couple of months later and the tanks getting full of the Endless Little Buggers.

If anybody wants to rehome I'm based in North Manchester, drop me a DM please.

Meanwhile I'm off to Abyss in Stockport hunting down a Killifish or two. Do you have any recommendations @dw1305 ? There seems to be a huge range of Killifish. Some getting rather large and agressive that will eat everything else in the tank as well. Harlequins, Corys, GPD, Emerald Danios, Pygmy Corys etc...
 
Errrmmm... a couple of months later and the tanks getting full of the Endless Little Buggers.

If anybody wants to rehome I'm based in North Manchester, drop me a DM please.

Meanwhile I'm off to Abyss in Stockport hunting down a Killifish or two. Do you have any recommendations @dw1305 ? There seems to be a huge range of Killifish. Some getting rather large and agressive that will eat everything else in the tank as well. Harlequins, Corys, GPD, Emerald Danios, Pygmy Corys etc...
I don't approve of deliberately feeding live fish to other fish.

This used to happen, when I was a kid, in the now long forgotten not so 'swinging' 1960s, in my generally lovely friendly local tropical fish shop. My mother used to joke that she was born too early to enjoy the benefits of the contraceptive pill - not sure what that says about how 'wanted' I was!

Folks brought in poor colour quality guppies and they were tipped into a cichlid display tank, the large cichlids immediately went into hunter mode, the poor small fish, immediately went into potential prey mode, or was it pray mode! The guppies started darting about for their lives in a most distressing way, and I remember my mum was close to tears, and a little girl crying and pleading that her daddy had to do something. He daddy had actually brought the guppies into the shop. I believe this practice of public feeding of one live species to another is now illegal.

However, in most aquariums with egg layers the eggs get eaten by adult fish. In most tanks with live bearers most or all of the fry get eaten by adult fish. A shoal of any of the medium sized barbs will end the population explosion, but of course, they will eat fry of all other fish. But if you remove all the adult guppies and maintain a shoal of rosy barbs or tiger barbs for 3 months, the problem will be addressed relatively humanely and completely naturally. Fish eat other fish, in an aquarium it happens without us deliberately feeding one species to another, but it happens, in most aquariums, certainly if live bearers are present.

Two fish species which will almost always present birth control issues: guppies and kribensis. The latter seem to always lose their first batch, learn from their parenting mistakes and then raise 50 to 100 fry every couple of months. Kribs, they colour up fantastically when breeding and are pugnacious parents and a joy in some ways, but they should carry a birth control warning at the point of sale.

All live bearers have the potential to create a population explosion, though interestingly, my colony of red platy fish, is now I think genetically exhausted and is quite quickly declining, I started with half a dozen about a decade ago, used to take around 50 adults to the local tropical fish shop regularly, who were happy to have them, and had about 25 adults permanently resident, and who knows how many fry, for years, but now only a group of about a dozen mixed age/size fish seem to exist. Nature, 'red in tooth and claw' I fear in so many ways.
 
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Errrmmm... a couple of months later and the tanks getting full of the Endless Little Buggers.
Always the issue.
Meanwhile I'm off to Abyss in Stockport hunting down a Killifish or two. Do you have any recommendations @dw1305 ? There seems to be a huge range of Killifish. Some getting rather large and agressive that will eat everything else in the tank as well.
I think that is right, anything they can fit in their mouths they will eat. @jolt100 might be your best bet for a suggestion?
I don't approve of deliberately feeding live fish to other fish.
I think we all agree with that.

Cheers Darrel
 
Well, we couldnt decide on a mini predator. No Killis at all. There were a few wild caught Angels but not really the scale of what we'd like in the tank and they would potentially scoff any of the Cory and CPD fry and adults when they big enough.
Solution is to set up a small tank and gradually catch all the Endlers and rehome.
I don't approve of deliberately feeding live fish to other fish.
Totally in agreement.
Poor livestock management is the cause.
Can you expand on this theory for me please?
 
Well, we couldnt decide on a mini predator. No Killis at all. There were a few wild caught Angels but not really the scale of what we'd like in the tank and they would potentially scoff any of the Cory and CPD fry and adults when they big enough.
Solution is to set up a small tank and gradually catch all the Endlers and rehome.

Totally in agreement.

Can you expand on this theory for me please?
Struck me too.
 
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Well, we couldnt decide on a mini predator. No Killis at all. There were a few wild caught Angels but not really the scale of what we'd like in the tank and they would potentially scoff any of the Cory and CPD fry and adults when they big enough.
Solution is to set up a small tank and gradually catch all the Endlers and rehome.

Totally in agreement.

Can you expand on this theory for me please?
Simple,

Why would you have both male and female in the same tank unless you wanted to breed them. From what i gather you have both sexes and had no plan in place for the offspring.
 
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