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clonitza said:
Unfortunately Tom, internet is full of crap and those newbies trying to sort their issues if they aren't lucky to talk to the right people or read that quality article they are doomed to fail again and again. :)

Well initially, the groups on the net were a bit more rational, they took what they could find and made hypothesis and went about testing it. Then modified it to suit the falsification.

Information(the net today), is NOT knowledge.

There is no net "filter". No one vets the information, so misinformation spreads, particularly if it sounds believable.
This also works VERY well in all sorts of myths and politics of course.
 
AverageWhiteBloke said:
There's also the issue of information changing so people need to keep abreast of the new thinking. People come across a lot of information that is out dated. Back in the day when I first started trying to keep plants books and magazines were your source of information. Very few LFS knew anything about plants and in most cases the plants they sold were semi-aquatic because they looked nice and just dissolved once put in the tank.
I still have these books and use them more for plant ID. Often when reading them it amazes me how much the thinking has changed. Very high light, slow water movement and avoiding nitrate and phosphate like the plague. This gets repeated over and over again. This bad information carries on today with a lot of commercial products which keep the myth going of nitrate & phos causing algae issues. It's a good job forums like this are available to dispel these myths.

My first success was using a Dennerle system. I had no idea what or why I was adding. Yellow capsule on day 15, brown tablet day 30 this on that day etc. It has to be said it was the first successful planted I had but very expensive to set up and run. I used dennerle soil substrate with under gravel heater, 125watt mercury vapour bulb and the myriad of chemicals that went with it and the plants were pushing the glass covers off the tank.

These forums have broke down and explained the processes that were going on in the tank in a way you can understand (sometimes :rolleyes: ) and provided links to how you can do that without to much expense. That takes the hobby in the realms of most peoples budgets and is great news for the longevity of the hobby. If it wasn't for this information I would be sitting looking at a tank full of malawis and rocks right now and worrying about how to get rid of the nitrate and phosphate by spending a fortune on specialist resins based on a test kit result that was lieing to me :)

Interesting and true also.

I gave an old Dupla Optimum Aquarium book from 1986(English) to a local member and I looked through it, they got about 90% of the stuff right. Not bad for 30+ years ago.

Heat cable thing was wrong, but most of the other stuff was right.
ADA is similar, most of the stuff is correct, They have about 90-95% correct, but if you poo poo the 5%, and with valid support, they go bat guano crazy. You are anti ADA!
Even though I support them 90% :rolleyes:

As I said earlier:
"misinformation spreads, particularly if it sounds believable."
 
dw1305 said:
I started the the "Krib" (where people like Mike Wise, Tom Barr and Erik Olsen resided), and that was how I initially found "Apistogramma Forums", where Ed Seeley was a member, and from there to the UKAPS etc.

cheers Darrel

This was one of the first planted sites mostly because many of the people were IT folks.
But if you look at how questions were approached and the attitudes, it is unlike anything or forum we have today in the hobby.

Dupla was very $$$ back them and like ADA is today. So many sought to figure out a way around their products DIY.
Mark Rothstein loves Apisto's and that was one of his 2 main passions in running the mailing list(the days before forums).
 
It`s always heart warming to meet other people who really care their plants. Who consentrate keep them happy instead of endless battle against algae. Who are willing to share their knowledge and experiences. And fantastic photos of course!

The photo of Aponogeton crispus red is the most beautiful aquarium photo Iv never seen. I could just sit and stare it for hours. Thanks for sharing it and absolutely great work!
 
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