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Improving Cherry shrimp stock.
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MichaelJ
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Hi @Jaceree I do not know for a fact. But I suppose you could. Say, if you separate the out the onces of each generation that shows lower grade from the ones that shows higher grade... I think thats pretty much what the breeders are doing. I have all sorts of grades and colors of Neocaridina davidi's mixed up (Red, Blue, Yellow, Orange, Gold, Green)... I don't really bother about the grades - they are all high grade to me 🙂
Cheers,
Michael
Cheers,
Michael
Gorillastomp
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Aqua sobriquet
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Mine breed like mad but I only get about 1-2% of the black and red ones. The rest are boring brown ones. I could either separate or cull but I don’t have a spare tank and I’m not into mass murder! 😛
Kelvin12
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They do seem to readily breed back to the original dull colouring more than the ones we are aiming for.
Thats what i have in mind. Not to cull, but to focus on the more desirable ones. I like the idea of kind of starting from scratch with the low grade, and seeing what comes out of it. So am i understanding it right that the gene that turns them red to begin with is always present, but it gets a buff on the rare occasion, and gets highlighted more in certain individuals? Kinda like people who have good genetics, and end up with a six pack? lol.
Aqua sobriquet
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I think you would be better off buying the colour you want and removing any you don’t like the colour of to another tank.
Right so buy the best stock i can afford straight away? I will be setting up a second colony tank as a shrimp is a keeper no matter what grade it is.
Culling in shrimp breeding doesn't mean actually killing the unwanted shrimp, but typically removing them from the breeding tank and selling them off cheap to folks who just want some general 'shrimp' in their tank. On sites like Shrimp Market Place on Band, you regularly see breeders selling off 'culls' from their main breeding tanks - it's actually a good way to pick up a bargain or two, as the cull shrimp are perfectly capable of producing fully coloured throwback offspring, just with less likelihood.
Aqua sobriquet
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I’d give them away if I knew they’d be properly cared for!
You'd undoubtedly get takers in the classifieds on here. Most people on here prioritise the care of their tank inhabitants as far as I have been able to tell.
I picked up the term culling from watching a breeder on YT that went on to explain it don't actually mean killing the shrimp. I couldn't do that anyway, and wouldn't imagine anyone else doing that either. My farther in law has some amanos in one of his tanks so already have the idea of unloading any shrimp i may not want with him.
Aqua sobriquet
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A couple of interesting ones out to eat today. A black one with a pink stripe and a dark pink one with a stripe.Skunk shrimp? lol.
I just bought 5 really good Cherry from maiden head aquatics. They netted two at one point and i said oh a freebie so happy.
Wolf6
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Nice, are those the ones with the eh red 'flesh' as well as red skin?
Im not sure. I just picked out the best ones they had. I didn't know their flesh can be red also.
Greengeek
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I think it depends on what’s hidden in the genetics, low grade neos might just be culls from a very high grade lines and potentially can produce some high grade offspring.
I’ve got a tank where I put all my culls from multiple coloured tanks and it’s been a while but every now and then I see a really lovely looking shrimp. Deepest solid red and brightest intense yellows etc where 99% are low grade or even wilds.
I then catch and select the better coloured shrimp and use them in my breeding projects. Of course there is then potential to pass on low grade genes back to the original colony but in these instances I remove them back to cull tank.
I hate killing any healthy animal so my culls retire to a huge 300l plus tank to breed like rabbits! Lol
Infact every non shrimp specific tank in my fish room has neos in now, even the tanks filled with Pufferfish and non filtered planted bowls. They breed like crazy and so hardy.
I’ve got a tank where I put all my culls from multiple coloured tanks and it’s been a while but every now and then I see a really lovely looking shrimp. Deepest solid red and brightest intense yellows etc where 99% are low grade or even wilds.
I then catch and select the better coloured shrimp and use them in my breeding projects. Of course there is then potential to pass on low grade genes back to the original colony but in these instances I remove them back to cull tank.
I hate killing any healthy animal so my culls retire to a huge 300l plus tank to breed like rabbits! Lol
Infact every non shrimp specific tank in my fish room has neos in now, even the tanks filled with Pufferfish and non filtered planted bowls. They breed like crazy and so hardy.
Ive been looking into the different varieties. That's pretty much what i want to do, but dont plan on having dozens of small tanks everywhere. I was thinking two decent sized tank which ive made myself then a larger cull tank. I found this chart interesting, and found a good vid on YT explaining the different types.
I have a nano tank full of proper reds and they're lovely, but there's also something really nice about the wild type and the weird and interesting variations they throw up, I keep culls in my big tank.
At first I kept black cherries in my big tank - I had a few ones come out black from my red cherries - and I thought it looked cool so bought some more. But then Mr Apisto got added in (this was early with not enough cover) and I watched him eat a few of them and it worried me so I fished the rest out, they had a few babies, and now they live with @Courtneybst in his beautiful contest scape where they can multiply happily. I added some cull shrimp to the tank to keep Mr Apisto amused (they had been living in my pond outside), but they've almost all survived and bred well. I think look more natural than the red ones and that compliments the tank, though some still grow up and become bright red to spite me anyway. 😂 Now the tank is grown in there's a lot of opportunity for shrimps to thrive without being eaten, I catch a lot of babies in the filter when I clean it.
I definitely recommend a little outdoor waterlily pot pond kinda thing, then you can put your cull shrimps in that without guilt, mine survive the winter and bred over the summer. Also good for some rice fish, who don't seem to eat the shrimps either.
At first I kept black cherries in my big tank - I had a few ones come out black from my red cherries - and I thought it looked cool so bought some more. But then Mr Apisto got added in (this was early with not enough cover) and I watched him eat a few of them and it worried me so I fished the rest out, they had a few babies, and now they live with @Courtneybst in his beautiful contest scape where they can multiply happily. I added some cull shrimp to the tank to keep Mr Apisto amused (they had been living in my pond outside), but they've almost all survived and bred well. I think look more natural than the red ones and that compliments the tank, though some still grow up and become bright red to spite me anyway. 😂 Now the tank is grown in there's a lot of opportunity for shrimps to thrive without being eaten, I catch a lot of babies in the filter when I clean it.
I definitely recommend a little outdoor waterlily pot pond kinda thing, then you can put your cull shrimps in that without guilt, mine survive the winter and bred over the summer. Also good for some rice fish, who don't seem to eat the shrimps either.
