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ADA 60F iwagumi

will give a try tomorrow see if flow looks better really want some fish in there in next few weeks but want to see good growth first if I had no algae I would add another bulb and up the co2 but worried would just make things worse

thanks dean
 
well fit spray bar in middle of the aquarium facing the front on slight up angle so surface ripples, and flow seems much better most of the grass is swaying and co2 seems to be flowing all over, my grass doesn't look great the algae is spread about not to much but more than there was and grass isn't very colourful so hopefully this helps will check drop checker later and keep you posted only fit it last night so will take couple days to see if helping

Thanks dean
 
Hi dean, are you not finding that co2 is escaping if your spray bar is directed at the surface? Cheers mate
 
terry82517 said:
Hi dean, are you not finding that co2 is escaping if your spray bar is directed at the surface? Cheers mate
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just fit spray bar last night and just rippling the surface mate and drop checker ok so hopefully ok

Whats your advice on the algae should I leave spray bar going for a while and up co2 a little and also carry out water changes every 3 days or so ? also you think I should start dosing excel or just wait

Thanks dean
 
I hope one of the experts answers you but if it were me I'd see if the flow helps and trim out any algae you can as it sounds like your co2 is quite high already. If you have a lot of surface scum I'd do large water changes, even 75-100%, especially as you have no livestock but do when lights out.
 
Hi Dean,
I'd be inclined to agree with Lindy.
Your tank looks in a much better way than your previous algae outbreak so I'd leave it for a week or two with the spraybar configuration, some large water changes and good filter maintenance and see what happens....I know its not the best looking solution, but if it works you could look at acrylic which has been mentioned, or Apfuk now do glass spraybars 🙂 You know about maximising co2 whilst you have no livestock, (I know your keen to get some in but please resist for just a little longer) just get good levels for lights on. Personally I wouldn't supplement with liquid carbon as beating the algae without it will be far more valuable in learning about co2 light and distribution.
I think now there will be an improvement with the change in circulation as shallow tanks are more difficult to keep co2 in and perhaps the obubble lily was not getting flow to the substrate effectively. Your dc could have shown good levels of co2, however water movement through and over the grass could have been minimal which wouldn't have been efficient for nutrient supply and waste removal...either of which could have been a causal factor in the persistent algae problem. Grass is tight and traps detritus so flow through it is important.
Stick with it mate, things are definitely improving and I'm sure you'll be able to add some fish soon enough. If you need to dial back the co2 at a later date for livestock, and any algae reappears you could either reduce lighting intensity or supplement then with a little liquid carbon....but I'm sure the flow was your problem and keeping the grass clean will make the difference.
Cheerio
Ady
 
Ady34 said:
Hi Dean,
I'd be inclined to agree with Lindy.
Your tank looks in a much better way than your previous algae outbreak so I'd leave it for a week or two with the spraybar configuration, some large water changes and good filter maintenance and see what happens....I know its not the best looking solution, but if it works you could look at acrylic which has been mentioned, or Apfuk now do glass spraybars 🙂 You know about maximising co2 whilst you have no livestock, (I know your keen to get some in but please resist for just a little longer) just get good levels for lights on. Personally I wouldn't supplement with liquid carbon as beating the algae without it will be far more valuable in learning about co2 light and distribution.
I think now there will be an improvement with the change in circulation as shallow tanks are more difficult to keep co2 in and perhaps the obubble lily was not getting flow to the substrate effectively. Your dc could have shown good levels of co2, however water movement through and over the grass could have been minimal which wouldn't have been efficient for nutrient supply and waste removal...either of which could have been a causal factor in the persistent algae problem. Grass is tight and traps detritus so flow through it is important.
Stick with it mate, things are definitely improving and I'm sure you'll be able to add some fish soon enough. If you need to dial back the co2 at a later date for livestock, and any algae reappears you could either reduce lighting intensity or supplement then with a little liquid carbon....but I'm sure the flow was your problem and keeping the grass clean will make the difference.
Cheerio
Ady
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thanks a lot ady I agree didn't really want to start adding liquid carbon as would eventually want to stop and by then it would be used to the extra ferts, think I will carry out 50% water change (also quick question when I carry out water change I don't put the pipe over the grass as usually rips it out close but doesn't touch is that ok?)
will leave the co2 and also fert dosing the same just see what happens with the faster flow 😉 also my top filter sponge is looking very dirty so might change it, and I will also trim the grass tonight

thanks dean
 
If you don't have a gravel vac to gently syphon the substrate whilst removing water I'd use your hands to 'waft' the hair grass pre water removal. This will get any detritus into the water column for removal with your water change and filter...it will all help rid the algae 🙂
Cheerio
Ady
 
well carried out 60% water change yesterday and trimmed the grass the algae was on a lot of the grass but hopefully start to see improvement, I must say the light ada powder substrate is very annoying when cut grass often comes out so have to put back into substrate and next time think I will buy HC instead of dwarf hair grass and think would be less maintenance and seem some great spread off not much HC, also when I cut the grass found air bubbles leaving all the grass almost like pearling 😉 I wish it as, I am going to purchase some wave scissors to make easier.

Thanks dean
 
well good news since I fit the spray bar I now have no white bubbles on the surface a barley no surface scum, I had loads before water change Wednesday but none at the minute still algae on grass will it just disappear over time as cannot get some off or will rip out of soil will try spraying water at it but will disturb soil, the drop checker is yellow before lights on you think should drop co2 slights or leave for days ?

Thanks dean
 
Quick update Firstly no surface scum but still algae on plants but don't know if any way to remove, with no surface film the spray bar must be working well and I still have no pearling 🙁 think I am going to try down co2 slightly so lime green instead of yellow during the day you think this is best idea

Thanks Dean
 
Yeah, I agree with Terry, unless your going to add livestock I'd have as much co2 as possible to try and resolve the algae issues.
When you add livestock maybe leave the co2 and lights off on the day of introduction to let them settle. Then start tweaking the next day. Plan to do it when your going to be around for a few days to monitor and adjust co2 and lighting accordingly. If your going to reduce your co2 injection rate for livestock, then also raise your lighting unit to compensate, you can always lower it back down when you have co2 dialed in again.
Oh, and don't chase pearling, you can have a healthy planted tank without it, mine hardly pearls at all 🙂
Cheerio,
Ady.
 
ok wont adjust but still algae in tank at the bottom of the hair grass last time it seems to stop gowth of all my hair grass also very small white pieces of algae but not sure if it is dead brown algae obviously I cut the grass but cannot get lo enough to remove all algae will it not just disappear over time ? hard to get decent pic without a dslr but will try tomorrow

Thanks dean
 
it seemed to take hours to plant all the grass to do that it would takes ages but if needs done suppose I will have to

will try upload a pic later
Thanks Dean
 
Hey ,
Could you not get a plastic bowl and make a tiny hole in it , plae it over some hair grass , inject some excell and leave it in situ for a day and spot treat it ? Maybe that would kill off the algae ?? And repeat to other parts 🙂
Cheers
 
Dean have you tried turning up the gas yet?
Just feed the stuff in and see what happens. You can't hurt the plants.
All your symptoms just point towards not enough C02...make the most of this opportunity while you haven't got any fish & turn it up?
 
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