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750L 30" deep Discus tank

Colinlp

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Well it's been a long time coming, to long really but it's time to start this journal before it's too late. As I start this the tank is well on the way to being set up, filled with substrate and sand etc waiting for the plants to be delivered. All looking good but lets start at the beginning and see how we got this far:

It was back in January we decided at we needed a bigger thank to house our rapidly growing Discus so after some measuring and thought about where and how we could actually fit one into our smallish house we came up with a place that would hold a 68" long tank. It so happens that Aquariums Ltd make a tank just that size, so with no further ado I called them up and ordered a 68 x 30 x 24 tank on a cabinet and a 48 x 18 x 18 sump.

Discus, especially ours are incredibly messy eaters spreading their beefheart around like confetti. As Discus need immaculate water this needs cleaning up before it starts rotting or whatever it does, one of the reasons bare bottom tanks are very popular amongst Discus keepers. With this in mind we decided that we would keep a large area clear of plants which would be easy to clean and restrict the planting to the back of the tank. We thought also at this time that maintenance of such a deep tank would be difficult (at this point we decided this would have to be a low tech tank but more of that later)so we decided we would also try and form a barrier between the two sections which would help keep food in the clear area and help prevent plants spreading into the clear area. After searching through countless planted tank pictures for inspiration the only things suitable either looked like dry stone walling or something from a municipal garden. By chance I saw a thread on another forum where somebody had made a rockscape out of lava rock and expanding polyurethane foam, bizzare but it worked. This in mind we came up with the idea of fabricating a sand bank running the length of the tank inter spaced with stones.

This next bit looks horrendous but hang on in there the finished thing looks not that bad! So we started with a piece of MDF the size of the tank and a stack of rocks we selected from the beach. After a couple of hours mucking about we settled on a layout that we hoped would fit the bill, with this in mind we ordered some redmoor root from aqua essentials. A couple of days later it arrived and we double checked our arrangement with the wood and it confirmed our choice. I pencilled in the plan of the sandbank onto the MDF then removed the rocks. The MDF was coated in a layer of wax as a releasing agent for the polyurethane foam. A layer of the afore mentioned foam was laid down along the marked outline and allowed to harden over night. It was trimmed down in the areas where the stones would fit to a height of 1.5 inches or so, this would then be covered by sand in the front. Each stone was covered in cling film to allow removal and placed in position. Finally more foam was squirted around and left to harden overnight. The excess was trimmed away with a sharp knife to look something like what I wanted and the stones removed before a final sanding to shape. To finish this to make it actually look like sand it was coated in white tinted epoxy resin and white gravel sprinkled on carefully, actually this took a couple of coats to look right. Sadly I see to have lost the photographs of this part of the construction sorry. Anyway the finished article looked, well a monstrosity but we had to remember that only a small part of it would actually be seen.

Trial layout with wood
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Final layout with wood
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First coat of polyurethane
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Stones fitted
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Last polyurethane shot
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These are the guys whose home this will be
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Hi

nice idea with foam but you need to silicone it to the tank bottom or put loads of stones on it as I think it will like to float :)


p.s nice discus
 
No worries, it has 30 - 40 kilos of stone embedded in it, I didn't want to silicon it down as it may want removing at some time in the future. While I'm here a few more lines:

So as mentioned briefly we decided that this would need to be low maintenance because of it's size and accessibility. After some research here and on another forum we learnt that low tech was what we could get the results we desired, besides if it didn't work out we could start adding CO2 in the future. We also wanted to create something well bio typical, I stop well short of using the word biotope because we both like crypts and some of the fish in the tank will be Asian. With that in mind we decided that Echinodorus would be ideal from suitability for a low CO2 and high temperature point of view as well as needing less trimming than stems. Finally we wanted to automate water changes, this we could do by trickling water into the sump and having an overflow for the waste.

With the promised delivery date now rapidly looming and after some forum research we purchased substrate, gravel and sand. We were recommended both ecocomplete and John Innes no3, we set out to use just ecocomplete but ended up needing more so we shot off to the garden centre to get some JI 3 but ended up purchasing aquatic pond soil to use as a layer under the ecocomplete. We also bought a HMA filter to provide safe water for the water changes, no RO as we live in a soft water area so once the chlorine and heavy metals are removed it is perfect for Discus as is. For filtration for the sump we sourced bioballs, alphagrog and some coarse matted material whose name I forget. Finally we ordered some T8 and T5 lighting, 2 400W heaters, a pump and a plumbing kit for the tank.

Sadly all this sat in a spare room for 3 months while we waited for the tank to arrive as manufacture had been delayed. It was finally delivered on Saturday, some help from the lads at the boat yard saw it carried in and put in position safely, good lord does it look big! Something about that position, it's in our hallway near the front door, now we have lived with it for a few days it look good once we got used to the size but we really need to get rid of the old tank now at the other side of the hall.

So I'll fill in later on when I get home to the stage I'm at now and hopefully pick up some late advice.

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Lovely size discus. I have 3 of my original 5 discus partially down to bullying and pecking order. I look forward to this journal :)
 
mlgt said:
Lovely size discus. I have 3 of my original 5 discus partially down to bullying and pecking order. I look forward to this journal :)
I had/have the same problem at the moment, hence the large empty space in the tank. I ripped it apart last week in an attempt to break up territories, removed a large rock and trimmed the swords right down to open out the sides, so far it seems to have had a positive affect. It's one of the reasons I'm on a mission trying to get them in there so there will be more space for them. It will still be at the very least 4 weeks before the new tank is ready for transferring them over, hopefully planted this weekend then another 2 weeks to settle before plonking in the clean up crew and some cardinals and quarantine them. Then I can buy in some new discus and quarantine them in the old tank before selling it to keep her indoors happy :crazy:
 
I have thought about that myself. Heres a vid of my tank after planting some new plants in.



This is the introduction of them - http://www.youtube.com/user/Rikster23#p/u/3/8Lv6dqCgST0

Ive thought about moving the big piece of wood in my tank to not let them hide so much, but over time 5 have become 4, now I have 3 and the weaker one is showing signs of stress and could be on the way out. But hes holding on :)

Im kinda in the same boat. Im buying a property later this year and things are slowly moving along. But I have a plan to put in a 400-500l tank.
 
Hi there,thats some tank you have taken on,but i wish you all the best with it,and i will be watching with interest,
regards,
john.
 
Im kinda in the same boat. Im buying a property later this year and things are slowly moving along. But I have a plan to put in a 400-500l tank.

You know maybe its just me, but I kind of did the same, got my house and thought now i can have a decent size tank, but actually it was pretty moderate 250 litre, several years and six tanks later im thinking 1000 litre plus. Perhaps you could make the jump without all the expensive upgrading? :D

Then again perhaps its only me who gets that bug.
 
mlgt said:
I have thought about that myself. Heres a vid of my tank after planting some new plants in.



This is the introduction of them - http://www.youtube.com/user/Rikster23#p/u/3/8Lv6dqCgST0

Ive thought about moving the big piece of wood in my tank to not let them hide so much, but over time 5 have become 4, now I have 3 and the weaker one is showing signs of stress and could be on the way out. But hes holding on :)

Im kinda in the same boat. Im buying a property later this year and things are slowly moving along. But I have a plan to put in a 400-500l tank.

You have some beautiful fish there! Any chance you could get the weaker one into a hospital tank for a while to give him a rest?
 
I`m curently growning out 5 penang eruption the are around 7 months old since they were 4-6weeks so soon they will pair up ... cannot wait :)
 
Fitting the sump into the cabinet was easy enough, the centre support of the cabinet just unscrewed and slid out, all that was required was some polystyrene to sit it on. Once in place the position of the required holes was marked and drilled, these were for the sump overflow for water changes, the water feed pipe I had already installed some weeks ago, the return from the sump to the tank and a hole to feed electrical wires through.

Once drilled the cabinet could be moved into it's final resting place, the overflow pipe was connected up to the sump and tested by filling it with water, thankfully all remained dry. Next the weir to sump pipework was fitted, what a pain in the ..... the weir is to deep and to narrow to get your hand to the bottom to get the nut onto the tank fitting, it took the best part of half an hour to get that sorted! I would love to know how other people have managed this!! The return from the sump to the tank was fitted but the final few sections have been left unglued until I can test it all with water in next week. Finally some sockets were wired and fitted into what will be the "dry" section of the cabinet, I intend to fit a separator inside to keep the electrics separate from the water and also allow some storage shelves to be fitted.

Rightly or wrongly I placed the two 400W heaters under the egg crate that supports the alphagrog so in theory all the water passing through the sump has to pass over at least one heater. These can be mover elsewhere if necessary in the future.

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Right now I can get this up to speed at the stage I am now.

The inside of the tank was given a final clean from the top of a stepladder :lol: I tell you my ribs are killing me after that, if I need to do any maintenance at the bottom of this when it's full I WILL need a mask and snorkel as my head must go into the tank to reach the bottom back :oops:

Now it was time to place the polyurethane foam sandbank and fit the stones, sorry I forgot to take photos of this stage. To e honest at this stage I started to worry that it would be a disaster as it looked completely wrong but after some thought and talk we decided to fill the front with sand to see how it looked then. Thankfully when the sand covered the lower section the whole thing came together and looked how we hope it might. We used Argos play sand as a bottom layer to try and pad out the more expensive Carribsea (?) white sand of which we used 50Kg.

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We added the Pond soil to the planted sections and topped off with the Ecocomplete before covering the lot with fine white gravel . I'll put the wood in when we plant the tank as it is sinking nicely at the moment, I don't want to let it to start drying out.

So for now that's the really adventurous scape sorted and time to order the plants, this bit worries me! I wanted a restrained planting plan with just broad leaf plants filling the entire back but thinning down rapidly towards the front for swimming space for the Discus. We spent many hours browsing various websites looking for suitable plants, eventually coming up with the following list.

2 x Echinodorus 'Aquartica'
5 x Echinodorus bleheri
2 x Echinodorus cordifolius
2 x Phyllanthus fluitans
3 x Echinodorus Parviflorus
3 x Echinodorus Rosea
3 x Echinodorus Harbii
6 x Echinodorus Lattifolius
6 x Crypt Wenditti
4 x unknown Crypt we already own

Fingers crossed that should do the job but we can order more if need be (mask and snorkel on standby!)

Lighting will be 2 x 80W T5 and 4 x 22W T5, hopefully this will be ample for a low tech tank? These haven't arrived yet but should be here by the weekend. The only other thing of interest will be a temperature controller to try and add another level of security against thermostat failure, again this should be here by the weekend.

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The guys who delivered the aquarium advised me to fit some sort of ventilation into the hood and the cabinet because of the high water temperatures causing a risk of damage due to condensation. Makes sense, any ideas how best to achieve this?
 
I have just ordered a tank from Aquariums Ltd, they seem very helpful on the phone. I was just wondering what you thought of the quality of their work in both the tank and the cabinet. It is going to be 10 weeks before I get mine and I am really looking forward to it. It is a 60" x 24" x 24" for my goldfish.

Cheers

Neil
 
Colinlp said:
mlgt said:
I have thought about that myself. Heres a vid of my tank after planting some new plants in.



This is the introduction of them - http://www.youtube.com/user/Rikster23#p/u/3/8Lv6dqCgST0

Ive thought about moving the big piece of wood in my tank to not let them hide so much, but over time 5 have become 4, now I have 3 and the weaker one is showing signs of stress and could be on the way out. But hes holding on :)

Im kinda in the same boat. Im buying a property later this year and things are slowly moving along. But I have a plan to put in a 400-500l tank.

You have some beautiful fish there! Any chance you could get the weaker one into a hospital tank for a while to give him a rest?


Yes but I have no more tanks currently. Also when he gets picked on, he will fight back. Just at times hes under stress for no reason. I guess its the nature way and all I can do is ensure he gets his share of beefheart and frozen foods to keep alive.

Im sure the other two are possible a pair, but still early to find out yet. Your journal is looking good. Im eager to see it filled up and ready to go :)
 
El Duderino said:
I have just ordered a tank from Aquariums Ltd, they seem very helpful on the phone. I was just wondering what you thought of the quality of their work in both the tank and the cabinet. It is going to be 10 weeks before I get mine and I am really looking forward to it. It is a 60" x 24" x 24" for my goldfish.

Cheers

Neil
I can't fault the quality of the work at all, you'll be well pleased with it when it arrives. I'm not 100% sure the office is quite as reliable as the workshop as they messed my accessory order up but it didn't amount to any problems so at the end of the day no harm done but make sure your order acknowledgement is correct, mine wasn't and it never got fixed despite numerous emails and telephone conversations. I would buy from them again without hesitation now I have seen their work :thumbup:
 
mlgt said:
Yes but I have no more tanks currently. Also when he gets picked on, he will fight back. Just at times hes under stress for no reason. I guess its the nature way and all I can do is ensure he gets his share of beefheart and frozen foods to keep alive.

Im sure the other two are possible a pair, but still early to find out yet. Your journal is looking good. Im eager to see it filled up and ready to go :)
As long as he's eating there is a chance he'll pick up, it,s heart breaking to see them go down
 
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