120cm - George of the Jungle pg.5 new pics

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  1. George Farmer

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    Re: 120cm - George of the Jungle

    Cheers George, havent seen them mentioned before. Are there any reviews on them and are the equivalent to TPN? (The link i read was dutch and i dont have a translator working on this pc)

    PS, its great what Luis is doing for the school :thumbup:
     
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    Nicely done George :) very pleasing to the eye and well executed, congrats
     
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    Hi Stu

    Tobi, a member on here owns Aqua Sabi, a world-class German shop specialising in aquascaping.

    Tobi has developed his own line of ferts. He generously sent some samples over to the UK and I sent them out to various UKAPS members. The samples were Flowgrow Mikro Spezial and Spezial-N in 500ml bottles with a 1ml dosing pump.

    The Flowgrow is a trace only, with lots of iron. Spezial-N contains lots of different nitrogen-based compounds.

    I have been using them for around 3 months now, and they are excellent. You may need to supplement a source of P though if you use just these two products. This is one reason I added TPN+ to this tank. You can also add KH2PO4 directly into Spezial-N to get an effective NPK product.

    The Spezial-N has lead to lots of interesting discussion here -

    viewtopic.php?f=11&t=14594

    Make yourself a nice cup of tea and have a read through! :D

    FYI UKAPS Sponsor, Aquarium Plant Food UK, produce their own Spezial-N type product.
     
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    Thanks George, Ill have a read of that lot later! Ive probably missed the thread as it was EI based which ive not got into much due to using tpn. Will be an interesting read by the looks of it.
     
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    Cool. Some of the science still goes over my head to be honest, but the results I've had over the last 3 months in different set-ups are proof enough that they are very effective. Mark has experienced similar results too.
     
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    Hey George.

    This scape is so well executed!... Brilliant in fact.

    A jungle style scape, but with the chaos taken out. There's tremendous 'calm' about the over all look. I really do take my hat off to you mate.

    There's 2 distinct lines that run across the tank, and the fish choice,which sit in the middle, IMVHO, is spot on.

    What more can i say? :)
     
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    High praise indeed, Mark. Thank you very much. :D
     
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    the perfect jungle scape executed. What more can i add to what others have said, the fish IMO are the exact right choice and compliment this scape brilliantly.

    ps, what is the name of the ferts sold by Aquarium plant food?
     
  10. George Farmer

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    Thanks, Ian. :)

    Not sure about APFUK. Try posting in their sub-forum and I'm sure John will help.
     
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    This is my kind of tank. I love the jungle look. I think the fish prefer it too, they seem to in mine. Truly stunning. :D
     
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    Oh my word :wideyed: I must visit this Planted Tank Gallery section more often :oops:
    Absolutely love this tank George.
    As previously stated, the 'red fins' are so right for this tank.
    Great job :thumbup:
     
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    When Science goes over your head you best be suspicious of what is causing what.
    Particularly when it comes out they are selling it.

    Belief alone is dangerous thing.
    Asking good questions is not.
    Testing these questions is even better.
     
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    Sorry to steal the thread here but George,..could you kindly provide me with a link (if there's any) to that cool looking DIY Light Stand by Dan Crawford please?
     
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    George

    Great looking tank and different from the norm!

    What kind of flow do you have in the tank in terms of lph, and how do you get around the dense planting/flow issues?
    Is this controlled by the low CO2/ferts?

    More pics! :geek:

    Andy
     
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    Thanks, Andy. :)

    No idea on actual flow. Not a lot to be honest, despite the FX5, as it's going through 16mm hose with inline CO2 and heater. I'd guess at about 5x turnover max.

    I do believe circulation doesn't have to be intense for healthy plant growth if other factors are 'balanced'.

    I think the biggest reason I don't get algae is due to the limited light and huge plant biomass creating a very stable environment. Nutrients aren't really low, and I have a good substrate, but CO2 is likely 15ppm max.
     
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    I don't think there's a specific link, sorry. You could try PMing Dan.
     
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    Just saw the article in PFK and it got me thinking, could this tank also be achieved with much lower lighting, say twin T8s and without the co2? I'm assuming this would work but just result in slower growth. The reason being £1100 odd is a lot of money. I wonder whether people reading the article, who aren't already into planted tanks, may be put off when the desired effect could be achieved without some of the equipment, and therefore cost.
     
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    Great question, thanks. You're not the first person, and won't be the last to question quoted costings. And rightly so. :thumbup:

    Sure, you don't need CO2 or T5 lighting, or any of the other 'expensive' extras that I used to achieve similar results. You may struggle with a couple of species, but broadly speaking there's no reason you couldn't get a similar effect with a much smaller budget.

    The £1,100 total cost is a realistic estimate of what to expect to pay for a similar sized set-up using equivalent products and methodology. Let's look at it from a different perspective. What would a 120cm complete ADA system cost? Probably 5x that, minimum.

    I do suspect, like you, that if some PFK readers based their decision whether to not to get into the planted tank hobby on this feature alone, then it may put them off. I hope it may also inspire some readers to have a go themselves, cost aside.

    This is a calculated risk that I take when contributing articles to PFK. It's impossible to cater for every reader on every budget. Of course, it's also unrealistic to assume that every reader is going to read just the one PFK issue.

    On balance, I have also contributed plenty of articles to PFK that cater for those on a lower budget. Indeed, one aquascape that was featured on the magazine's cover was less than £100.

    FYI my article next month compares different set-ups on different budgets, so this helps to further address the balance.

    Cheers,
    George
     
  20. Morgan Freeman

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    Thanks for the response, was just something that popped into my head!
     

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