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0.5 ppm N is about 2.2 ppm NO3 if KNO3 was used, but I use the following: 1 ppm N: 0.23 N from KNO3 ( 1 ppm NO3) 0.27 N from NH4NO3 (0.6 ppm NO3, rest NH4) 0.5 N from Urea So as you can see I only dose 1.6 ppm NO3 and rest of it is ammonium based. If only KNO3 was used, it would have been...

I remember during those days I was already accidently adding 2 ppm Ca and 8 ppm Mg before I came across with the MCI Method. while it did produced some great results but I believe this was rather due to secondary effects or certain ratios at play. I tried correcting the GSA during that time...

@macek.g am looking forward to this experiment. anyway, me and @plantnoobdude may have used different type of chemicals so this could change some of the results, but lets see what happens. It looks something like this in my case: Recipe #1 RO water Mineralized to: CaSo4: Ca 10 S 8.0006 dGH...

You should hold onto Ammannia, I wouldn't get rid of it.

@plantnoobdude good Job on keep on exploring different ideas and experimenting with them. So what was the conclusion with the Masterline Golden clone? Kind of ended that experiment bit earlier?

Under UV light, almost most of the chelate breaks down. Blue spectrum will have similar effects but not to the same level as UV. DTPA is quite stable under rich blue spectrum, atleast you can go without dosing for one week while using DTPA Fe, the same isn't true for EDTA Fe. Either way they...

Tropica isn't that generous to reveal everything. But all my speculation points toward that and the way tropica dosing works also gives us some hint that is likely the case. Maybe somone can contact them and ask them the same questions?

I believe they wanted to make is more stable in wide range of PH, DTPA alone cover wide range of PH. That is why you can dose once a week without much issues. DTPA chelation is very stable, even if you were to dose the DTPA Fe once a week. I Dont work for Tropica 😆 but based on my understanding...

Fe:Mn ratio is better when they are within 1:1 or 2:1, otherwise you will find yourself adding lot of Iron in your tank just to correct the Fe deficiency, when truly you are facing Mn deficiency.

The Solufeed combination version is rather for those who just want to keep it hassle free. It can be further enhance by adding Fe DTPA and Mn EDTA without much hassle. But most hobbyists doesnt want to go that route. Far as Tropica Traces goes, it is far different from any commercial or...

@Karacticus any new updates?

Is this acceptable (see File)? if your pump can dose 0.2 ml accurately, you can add low as 0.004 Fe for example. but such low dose of 0.2 ml can lower the accuracy.

Just want to confirm with you once more. So you want individual bottle of each nutrients sepertately in their own bottles targeting the suggested ppm instead of mixing them together? You will be dosing from several different bottles and you are OK with this? This certainly does give you an edge...

If you want to dose in that manner, I will have to redesign the recipes for you. I can do that in my free time.

The recipe wasn't made for this, but we can work on it if you want to dose the Fe and Mn this way. You can still try the current recipes for now as they are.

Am not understanding what exactly you are trying to do. But, The recipes in the pdf files were based on considering all the factors including the one you are talking about. 2.875 gram FeSO4*7H2O is already in large quantity to measure it accurately. You can even measure 0.4 gram of boron quite...

H How did you get 1000 ppm FeSo4 in there? The recommended recipe is no where near that amount and the max Fe in that solution should be around 5 ppm. 🤔 Solution also appear as it's not fully dissolved due to high level of sulfate.

@eminor I see no point arguing over fertilization, focus on working on the recommended doses and tweak them as needed. You can also use this thread to guide you and we are here to help you succeed. We already had these arguments over at lean dosing pro and cons thread, many hobbyists are...

In your case, You will almost always have some KH even if you add 0 kh water to begin with.

I dont think people get ban over 0 kh at TPT, if that was the case, I would have been banned in 2012. Many hobbyists who use acidic soil, will almost always reach 0 kh especially if they are increasing the kh to 1-2 dkh. They may be unaware of this because nothing bad happens at 0 kh. Many...

If you are dosing 1 ppm N 4x a week, you are adding 4 ppm N weekly, which is about 17.7 ppm NO3 equivalent. Also keep in mind that some of the N is in urea form. Floating plant actually consume high rate of ammonium compare to NO3, I would expect floaters to multiply rapidly if the source of N...

I would always start with adding the potassium sorbate and acidifying the solution first, you also want to start with 900 ml distilled water and after adding and mixing all the chemicals, then you add more distilled water to fill it till 1000 ml. otherwise if you were starting with 1000 ml to...

Thank you for sharing the updates. have you also looked into #46 ? it will be beneficial to add Mn EDTA since you are already Modifying the standalone version. the standalone version is great by itself and might not require any changes or modification, but in some cases it might be necessary to...

This will do for now. You could also get the Solufeed Sodium Free TEC that was suggested, no need to get the other individual one because you already ordered the needed stuff. Far as chelated and non chelated traces goes, I have used both with great success. I would still prefer to chelate the...

suggested recipe based on your request. For reference #88 something similar was offered to #50 @Richardod based on his water (similar to yours) report #47 but am not sure which recipe he went with. hopefully he could report back and this could be a huge help for you as he has been dosing it...

so what were the parameters, Dosing, fertilizer used for this experiment? looking forward to hear all the details, including the positives or negatives.

I believe this was meant to be written like this: "Inhibition of nitrification in the presence of low oxygen caused by very high CO2 levels" which usually result in lower PH as well. we can certainly discuss about this on separate thread if you like? @_Maq_ feel free to correct something that...

@Hufsa do you remember what changes we made in Before and After Pictures, or what were the parameters?

This was My opinion on BBA when I was experimenting, it was accurate enough for me that i could replicate it again over again with the same results.

@Hufsa thanks for the updates. can you post some pictures of the plants that are under the water? Frogbit appear as it might be lacking Nitrogen at this point but i cannot confirm this 100% unless we look at other plants as well.

I think we talked about Bumping up these numbers to something like 10:4 or something like that and then adding K from your liquid fertilizer.

@plantnoobdude when are you going to try that Ca:Mg:K ratio that we talked about while using the miracle Grow or solufeed ?

he was the chosen one until he added those Osmocote. But he is still the important member of this group:

you are more than welcome to add Fe DTPA to your existing Mix or make it separate solution. 0.1-0.2 ppm Fe weekly would be a good start. if you really want to Modify this, try this: 8.86 gram Solufeed Sodium Free TEC Mixed in 500 ml, 20 ml per 293 Liter 6.66 gram Fe DTPA 11% 4.28 gram Mn EDTA...

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@LMuhlen you might find our discussion useful over here #20

keep on dosing the recommended doses for now. with Aqua soil at the bottom, I don't think you will ever need to go above the recommended doses. in some plant there seems to be some Minor Fe Deficiency. but lets give some time to the plants before we start digging into that.

that is why you only add Ca and Mg at water changes and skip K entirely, the Max K is around 3.53 ppm if you target 2 ppm N from Solufeed 2:1:4.

If this Miracle-Gro is working for you, I don't see why the Solufeed wouldn't work without much hassle. Try the Solufeed 2:1:4 if you ever get a chance, while adding the Ca and Mg at water changes 5:2 ppm.

Time to reduce the CO2 and see how far you can push it.

can you put this Information regarding how much you mixed, which chemicals you have used in your main post ? including all other detail about the water parameter and such? in #1 it is easy to loose track of things.

considering the plant and the plant mass, i think you should target 1 ppm N weekly split into smaller doses, either 3x or 6x a week. its up to you. thread linked to your dosing. the plant mass appear quite low to my standard and you are likely to face many algae problems in the early stages...

Last time I told him that he need to change his ID from "Plantnoobdude" to "PlantExpertdude"

Looking good, Leaner than ever before. Try to post the water parameters and ppm of nutrients as well with each updates.

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don't worry about the language, the most important and valuable thing to me is that you are putting lot of efforts into these experiments.

Imagine using this to raise the GH? might be posting it in the wrong thread, Sorry @Hanuman if we are derailing your thread here.

This is true. Also, the purity indeed does matter to some people and people should keep an eye on the Grade when purchasing any Chemical.

yes, try to make it so it last about 2 month or so. i wouldn't suggest making it for long term and recommend making the new batches every few months. let me know once you have it mixed up or need any help or verifying anything further, i will stay in touch.

under lean dosing and high lights, you can expect very strong coloration, almost like HDR.

@Karacticus I assume you are planning on using this ?

Tropica Certainly doesn't use the common EDTA Chelate that is most commonly used in chelated products. they use something much better which is combination of both DTPA and HEEDTA. seachem uses So4/Cl based traces and Fe gluconate for Iron, they believe in whatever plant could easily use rather...

if this fails down the road, try removing the Ca and Mg from this solution and add about 1 ppm Ca and 0.4 ppm Mg to the water.

@plantnoobdude i like it how you have used a "Tropica Specialized Bottle "

not sure if this would be any useful for you ?

good to see the tank has cleared up from that green water, which i strongly believe has interrupted the nutrients and lights. regarding lean dosing, the tank is setup based on inert substrate with low CEC which will have very little impact on the Nutrients in the water, such setup is more...

so clear that you could even see the scratches on the wall.

I don't think this should affect the Fe. I assume you are referring to Mg and K interaction which could interfere with each others and where Mg Deficiency (look similar to Fe Deficiency/Pale Growth) could occur due to excess K ? But in your case this is less likely to happen because your K is...

They almost always obtain bigger leaves under urea dosing. The leaves almost becomes very thin under heavy NO3 dosing.

how did you get those numbers listed in the Composition ? can you take a picture of the Product including the labels?

in your other post you wrote that you add 0.08 ppm Fe weekly, but if you were dosing csm+b to target 0.1 ppm Mn, this would also add 0.35 Fe. please clarify

try adding some Iron Gluconate. what ppm of Mg and Mn are you currently adding?

there is nothing wrong with going 100% Urea, NO3 is almost always present in the aquarium around 5-10 ppm consistently. the 50/50 approach is good overall because it also provide K+

have you tried the Urea+KNO3 Combo that we talked about? if your tank test low for NO3 levels, i would definitely try this combo.

that is the power of Urea, Intense color and straight fuller leaves are some prime example under Urea dosing.

@plantnoobdude throw some daphnia in there :)

@_Maq_ what if someone add any source of Carbon such as citric acid to their Solution and then also add Sodium Benzoate in the same solution. this would not let the Bacteria to grow? in another word the Benzoate will just prevent the Carbon and bacteria to do its thing? wouldn't it? it...

many acids contain Carbon which is used by microbes, so am not sure about this, unless these acids and bacteria would have a negative affects on the solution. Maq can you share on this?

sorry Hufsa, i don't think i remember suggesting the use of Citric acid, are you sure it wasn't Plantnoobdude? i have never used a Citric Acid before, so i cannot make any comment on it. far as the Ascorbic acid goes, i do not recommend using it, instead, I use Vinegar or HCl or H2SO4 to acidify...

@milesjames if i were you i would try the following, you can dose these together but split the doses into 3-4x week and dose your Macros on different days. are you also using Seachem product for N, P, K as well ? Seachem equilibrium or anything else? 0.04 Mn as a weekly target using Seachem...

have you thought about just trying 0.1 ppm Fe target weekly?? Iron deficiency with 0.5 ppm Fe weekly is just not possible at this point. do a big water change and see if you notice any changes before adding more Fe

@plantnoobdude had the exact same issues. currently you are dosing 0.5 Fe DTPA weekly ? something like this? Fe 0.5 Mn 0.28 B 0.03 Cu 0.04 Mo 0.01 Zn 0.01 :eek:

lol i forgot we were on your thread. now I must be drunk.

one of my biggest worry is when someone is making their own micros and make any kind of small error because we are talking about some numbers in ppb. I hope this is not the case here, am not saying you don't know what you are doing. can you post some recent pictures of your plants?

you gonna have to be little patient and hang in there, we will eventually solve this, its not going to happen overnight. this is based on Tenso Coktail Clone, weather I use the Tropica clone or this one they both have good results as they both use Fe;Mn ratio around 2:1 I believe you use the...

@Hufsa is there anything siting at the bottom of the solution? it will look like brown/rusty color.