Ricardo Romão
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150 days the first and the second less than 2 months I think
Why do you even need to ask this when I have stated multiple times I would not use this device on my tanks even if I was paid to do so? Have you fully read my posts?@three-fingers
Please let me ask you, did you ever user twinstar? I mean the real, not the fake.
Um...no? I have never once stated this. I have stated multiple times that any possible anti-algae effect from the ozone produced by the unit is minimal, not that the effects are non-existent. The pictures of the electrolysis disc confirm this, in my opinion anyway. You can disagree, but I don't know why you would after seeing that picture and reading this thread. Unless you think this unit works some other way than killing algae with ozone? Given the laws of physics and the objective evidence available, I think that is incredibly unlikely...dare I say impossible.Of course it can get algae, so because of it, it means that twinstar does not work?
I don't see how this is question relates to anything I have posted. I get that you are trying to make an analogy, I just don't see why an analogy is required for whatever point you are tying to make, and I think it is a bad analogy too.If you have the same car accident in a porsche or in a fiat, of course, you can die in both, but where do you think you will have a higher probability to die? If you die in the porsche it means that the security in both cars are the same?
Yes, algae depends on many factors, this has already been agreed on multiple times by everyone in the thread. Nobody disagrees. Again I don't understand what point you are tying to make with this fact.Algae depends on many factors. If you have 100mg/l of NO3 and 0mg/l of PO4, you expect no algae?
Not easy to test at all. Even to just get useless subjective results you must spend a minimum of £100 (multiply this to test multiple units on multiple set-ups) and already have multiple mature aquariums running. Generally the more established a tank becomes it requires less cleaning anyway, so the pattern you have described would happen with all planted tanks without Twinstars too.Twinstar is very effective to inhibit green algae. It is easy to test. Just put one in your aquarium and you will see you will have to clean the glasses much less. Easy, very easy test.
As far as I can see, the only explanations as to "why it works" that Twinstar provide are essentially "because we say so", "because it is expensive" and "because some people with beautiful fish tanks have them".Of course again twinstar will not explain exactly how it works, step by step, only why it works
Would I explain how my hypothetical ground-breaking product worked? Yes. Would I allow others to copy the technology? Maybe, depends how much bother it would be stopping them.Chinese already try to copy without it. Would you explain it? To allow others to copy your technology? When you go buy a car, do you ask more about specifications in turbo or something else? Manufacturers will not show you, only horse power, cc, emissions and so on...
Please see the pictures bellow and look how clean, crystal clear and how collorful they look like. The second one is one a shop, here you can see the video (with twintar light and twinstar sterilizer), this way you can see it is not photoshop:
That would be pretty much where I am as well.I have an open mind, and as soon as there is any objective evidence that the Twinstar provides positive benefits for a planted tank without harming the animals or beneficial microbes, I will change my opinion on the product.
It could definitely stop, some forms of, biofilm settling on the glass etc.So many experienced scapers saying they are visually seeing benefits. I'm pretty sure this can't be placebo and I don't doubt their integrity in any way.
They could use a much cheaper metal for the mesh, rather than platinum (Pt) coated titanium (Ti) (I assume that the Twinstar has this).Unfortunately this is something that can also be reverse engineered and copied quite easily. ...... It's what they do really well and then manufacture it at a much lower cost.
what twinstar does is quite simple It generates oxigen peroxide that is harmful for algae, green algae absorbs oxigen peroxide and dies. having a twinstar is like adding oxigen peroxide to your tank in a regular basis, lots of people add oxigen peroxide to kill green algae.
Its like amano´s history of co2, insted of adding carbonated water to the tanks, he started diffusing co2 from a tank. Here insted of keep adding h2o2 we generate it constantly.
i own a twinstar nano and i use it in my new setups just or one or two months, once the tank has mature it goes out... and yes it works, it makes the aquarium set um much easier, but its not an esential gadget.
harmful for fish..... i think its a little harmful, it cant just be perfect. but a little h2o2 for a short period of time can perfectly been tolerated by fish. in my personal opinion it shoudn´t be used for long periods of time.
I've had the chihiros doctor for many months now and I'm convinced it does nothing to combat algae. I have all types of algae growing. There's been no difference in algae growth.
Perhaps that's why I'm not impressed. I've never had an issue with green water. I have bba (which I already knew it did nothing about ) , hair algae and green spot algae. It doesn't seem to have any affect on these. I remove all signs of these during maintenance and they come right back.I guess that depends on what algae you're talking about. As fas I am aware it destroys algae spores on a cellular level in the water column preventing things like green water and stopping these spores feeding off nutrients leaving more for the plants to feed off. It doesn't claim to do anything about algae attached to hardscape, you are going to need to remove those manually or attack with LC or hydrogen peroxide.
@Ricardo Romão
Thank you for your recent posts. One question between real and fake
can you tell the difference between real & fake twinstar device see on planted tank while it is ruining.