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Framed Nature

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This was a wild read but extremely informative. It was mentioned UNS and ADA use the same boards as Week, but aside from the obvious bad customer service and app, what are the big definite differences between the performance of Week lights vs ADA/UNS?

Kinda diving head first into understanding lighting so my background knowledge will be lacking.
 

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This was a wild read but extremely informative. It was mentioned UNS and ADA use the same boards as Week, but aside from the obvious bad customer service and app, what are the big definite differences between the performance of Week lights vs ADA/UNS?

Kinda diving head first into understanding lighting so my background knowledge will be lacking.

I think the fact that the ADA and UNS versions have absolutely no output intensity, colour channel mix, ramping or time scheduling controls makes that a non-starter for a lot of folks, over Chihiros and Week Aqua units.
 

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This was a wild read but extremely informative. It was mentioned UNS and ADA use the same boards as Week, but aside from the obvious bad customer service and app, what are the big definite differences between the performance of Week lights vs ADA/UNS?

Kinda diving head first into understanding lighting so my background knowledge will be lacking.
Not my area of expertise but a notable difference for ADA lights are that they come with one preset intensity and thats how youre supposed to run it. It may be possible to run a third party dimmer on such a light but i would check if that voids the warranty.
I suppose it makes sense in the context of their whole system that does away with all the choices, but for me personally I would not go for a non adjustable light, especially at such a price.

Edit: Wooki beat me to it ;)
 

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I think the fact that the ADA and UNS versions have absolutely no output intensity, colour channel mix, ramping or time scheduling controls makes that a non-starter for a lot of folks, over Chihiros and Week Aqua units.
I totally understand the appeal of "We chose for you and we know whats best" for some, but indeed having the customizability casts a wider net, especially at that price.

Would be EXTREMELY curious if there is a way to find out which boards in particular are shared across ADA and WEEK models. Probably sure if we asked directly, theyd not be so inclined to disclose that information.
 

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I totally understand the appeal of "We chose for you and we know whats best" for some, but indeed having the customizability casts a wider net, especially at that price.

Would be EXTREMELY curious if there is a way to find out which boards in particular are shared across ADA and WEEK models. Probably sure if we asked directly, theyd not be so inclined to disclose that information.

Not really sure we need to know, they all come out of the same OEM factory, so I can’t imagine they’d go out of their way to try and find alternative combination RGB LED’s or other components - they’d buy them in bulk and use them across all products - and it’s the LED’s which are arguably the important bit.

The LED boards themselves may differ but are very simple affairs anyway, and the ADA and UNS units will just use components at selected values, to generate a fixed voltage and current to each RGB channel for the brands chosen colour output.

The clever bit will arguably be in the blue tooth controllers to give user controllable power output to each LED channel, but the ADA and UNS units don’t have those anyway.
 

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It was mentioned UNS and ADA use the same boards as Week
Not sure about that, but a possibility. I would suspect that ADA makes customs boards for their needs. This said, the board itself is really not where the money goes. It's probably the cheapest component of the whole light. Anyone with some electronic background can make a board and have them printed for pennies. All you need are the gerber files.
but aside from the obvious bad customer service and app, what are the big definite differences between the performance of Week lights vs ADA/UNS?
In one word, price.
WeekAqua costs around 200-300 USD. ADA is in the 1000 USD realm 🤯 - I am pretty sure the ADA price incorporates some hefty profit margin and overhead fees but they also probably use better quality LED chips, components and power supply. The PSU that comes with WeekAqua is pretty light and is usually a telltale sign of poor quality. Good quality PSU include higher quality components, like better capacitors, transformers or chokes. These 3 components alone will add considerable weight to the PSU.
Chihiros used to have lower quality PSU in the past and they got so many complaints due to them failing that they changed their PSU to some more reputable brand like GVE and incidentally, they are heavier.
 
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Framed Nature

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Not really sure we need to know, they all come out of the same OEM factory, so I can’t imagine they’d go out of their way to try and find alternative combination RGB LED’s or other components - they’d buy them in bulk and use them across all products - and it’s the LED’s which are arguably the important bit.

The LED boards themselves may differ but are very simple affairs anyway, and the ADA and UNS units will just use components at selected values, to generate a fixed voltage and current to each RGB channel for the brands chosen colour output.

The clever bit will arguably be in the blue tooth controllers to give user controllable power output to each LED channel, but the ADA and UNS units don’t have those anyway.
Not sure about that, but a possibility. I would suspect that ADA makes customs boards for their needs. This said, the board itself is really not where the money goes. It's probably the cheapest component of the whole light. Anyone with some electronic background can make a board and have them printed for pennies. All you need are the gerber files.

In one word, price.
WeekAqua costs around 200-300 USD. ADA is in the 1000 USD realm 🤯 - I am pretty sure the ADA price incorporates some hefty profit margin and overhead fees but they also probably use better quality LED chips, components and power supply. The PSU that comes with WeekAqua is pretty light and is usually a telltale sign of poor quality. Good quality PSU include higher quality components, like better capacitors, transformers or chokes. These 3 components alone will add considerable weight to the PSU.
Chihiros used to have lower quality PSU in the past and they got so many complaints due to them failing that they changed their PSU to some more reputable brand like GVE and incidentally, they are heavier.
Oh wow, ok so there is MUCH more into this than I originally thought. Glad to understand that they arent necessarily just "substitutable". Appreciate the insight here, it is indeed unfortunate that Week does not spend that last extra effort to ensure a better app, because im pretty sure alot of people would jump onboard. Not entirely sure what the logic going on there is.
 

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Oh wow, ok so there is MUCH more into this than I originally thought. Glad to understand that they arent necessarily just "substitutable".

There isn't really very much too it, I suspect you're overthinking it. They're lights at the end of the day. They'll all light your tank up, and they'll all do it equally well. It's just some will give you more control of the light being output than the others. Sure @Hanuman's point on the power supplies is a valid one (and I've actually upgrade mine to a chunky 10A metal Meanwell one to run my three T90 Pros, as a) I wanted a better PSU, and b) I only wanted one run of cabling from the adjacent room), but aside from that its all much of a muchness - all the listed manufacturers (ADA, UNS, Chihiros, Week Aqua etc) produce good quality RGB lights with good colour rendition. The decision does come down to desired functionality and form factor.

Not entirely sure what the logic going on there is.

I suspect its just the case of an OEM manufacturer deciding to start producing a finished product to sell directly to end users, and the teething issues that brings. They can do the hardware just fine and that has been their focus, but the software is something the third party brand normally handles, so they are now playing catch-up realising that arguably the software and usability are of equal, if not greater, importance than the hardware.
 

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Got some tasty crunchy update, well if we can call that an update... pun intended.
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I'm going to fight the power by never giving Week Aqua a dollar of my money personally...

I think a big part of this problem, in this industry and many others, is that people keep buying things from companies like this effectively funding them to continue to run their bad business practices and cause new customers hardship in turn.

The way to affect change, imho anyway, is to vote with your wallet. Don't support and buy products from the bad companies. Boycott them and tell your friends to as well and they will go out of business leaving only the good one to remain.

Trying to teach a bad company how to treat customers, run a business, and/or fix their flawed products, when they clearly don't care, is a waste of one's life imo and the time would be better spent helping and supporting good companies to refine their products.

Just one guy's opinions, YMMV of course👍...
 
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I think a big part of this problem, in this industry and many others, is that people keep buying things from companies like this effectively funding them to continue to run their bad business practices and cause new customers hardship in turn.

The way to affect change, imho anyway, is to vote with your wallet. Don't support and buy products from the bad companies. Boycott them and tell your friends to as well and they will go out of business leaving only the good one to remain.

Trying to teach a bad company how to treat customers, run a business, and/or fix their flawed products, when they clearly don't care, is a waste of one's life imo and the time would be better spent helping and supporting good companies to refine their products.

Just one guy's opinions, YMMV of course👍...
Personally I have never been a strong believer in boycotting companies for the sake of punishing them but I do understand your position. Obviously if a company would be selling you poisoned snickers, that's another story, but we are talking about lights here.

Truth is Week Aqua is not all bad. They do have one of the best color rendering lights vs price out there and the app although buggy does work once set and not touched. I've had the A430 run for several month now with no issue. Maybe the light might not stand a year and at that time I will change my mind but so far my experience and the one of people I know has been good (except for the app). I mean they do answer to my messages as well when they could very well ignore me entirely, so that's that.

Also keep in mind that Week Aqua is fairly new in the international scene. Their major customer base so far has been China so they need to adapt. If you look at the app on the App Store the app has received multiple updates in the past 2 years. They are just quite slow at delivering them.

Truth is if no one tells them anything, no change will come that's for sure. Chihiros was the same 3-4 years ago.

@Hanuman very annoying how they address you as ‘dear’ in that exchange.
I don't get offended by this. This is a quite common way for Chinese ladies (and man?) to address you. It happens quite often when dealing with suppliers based in China. It's a common way to address others even informally. I sometimes reciprocate for the fun of it. Chinese actually use the word 亲 (qīn) which translates as dear.
 

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Don't buy any lights from ADA, or UNS either then, and numerous others, as Week Aqua are an OEM manufacturer for a number of big aquarium brands, so your dollars would still be going to them ;)
Yep, hard to tell who's the OEM for who these days for sure. And, I won't be buying any of ADA or UNS's overpriced light offerings so no problem there.

Honestly, I try my best to avoid buying anything Chinese but, in this hobby it is pretty hard especially when it comes to lighting(if only Twinstar would build some more advanced models). That said, on my new build the Aquarium, Aquarium Cover, Aquarium Stand, Canister Filter, Surface Skimmer, Inlet/Outlet Pipes, Heater, Vinyl Tubing, & Substrate are all not made in China. So, it's not that hard to avoid Chinese products in this hobby I guess...
 
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