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Urgent help please, bug infestation?

FirstClassFish

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What the heck is this? I’ve never personally seen an algae like this. It appeared a few days after increasing lighting on my aquasky by about 10%. Unfortunately I have to have a lot of things floating right now as I only have temporary setups in totes as I’ll be moving in the near future. My light is still less than 50% on what isn’t a super high output fixture in the first place. It’s also about 8” above the setup.

It’s newly cycled so still getting settled. Parameters are good and it gets ferts.

This stuff appeared seemingly overnight and spread very quick. I had diatoms too, but cleaned them up a week ago and not sure if they’re still gonna be an issue. There are Buce in here that are still iffy on whether or not they’re gonna survive or not so I want to keep them clean of algae and I also don’t want to be always disturbing them cleaning their leaves.

Any suggestions?

This is about a 5 gallon shallow tote with one Betta in it. I was gonna order some otos to clean it up, but they like groups and I didn’t want to add too much bio-load. However, I could order a group and let them clean and then move them to a bigger tote I have with some cherry shrimp.

I have heard about hillstream loaches as an alternative to otos as you can keep them singly. Are they as good of an algae eater though?

The cherries can’t go in there as I tried that experiment and the Betta harasses even the bigger ones. Can’t really try Amanos as the size you buy them at is too small. The Betta probably wouldn’t bother a full sized one.

Could do a pleco, but they’re more picky on what they want to eat.

I’m trying to out compete the algae with good growth of course, but since it’s a new setup it’s hard to know I just need to wait it out or not or I need to cut lighting down. If I cut lighting down too soon other growth could be hindered.

Any thoughts welcome

After posting on a couple FB groups nobody knew what it was. Disconcerting that some very experienced people never experienced it.

After that I continued to dig and this is as close as I could find to the problem, but alas no solution as it seems to happen more in aquaponics and I’m not positive it’s the same thing.

A couple things make me doubt it a bit.

-no moths in my apartment and that’s what lays these

-they are also in my other tote, but on the black airline tubing where they show up a lighter brown and not black

Otherwise though they look pretty close.

Here is the Reddit thread on the Lead Miners


I’ll include a pic of my plants.
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dw1305

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Hi all,
I’ll include a pic of my plants.
Those are the tubes made by <"non-biting (Chironomid) midge larvae">. They might be "Blood worms", but are often other Midge larvae that are clear and don't contain any haemoglobin.

tubeworm.jpg


Could we have a full-tank shot of the plants?
This is about a 5 gallon shallow tote with one Betta in it.
Small, even for a Betta, and you can't add any more fish and particularly not sensitive ones like Otocinclus spp.
I have heard about hillstream loaches as an alternative to otos as you can keep them singly. Are they as good of an algae eater though?
About as unsuitable as is possible. Have a look at <"Glide">
The cherries can’t go in there as I tried that experiment and the Betta harasses even the bigger ones. Can’t really try Amanos as the size you buy them at is too small. The Betta probably wouldn’t bother a full sized one.

Could do a pleco, but they’re more picky on what they want to eat.
All also incredibly unsuitable, Cherry Shrimps might do, but I'm pretty sure the Betta will eat them.

What about <"Red Ramshorn (Planorbella duryi) or Tadpole (Physella acuta) snails">?

cheers Darrel
 
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FirstClassFish

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Hi all,

Those are the tubes made by <"non-biting (Chironomid) midge larvae">. They might be "Blood worms", but are often other Midge larvae that are clear and don't contain any haemoglobin.

tubeworm.jpg


Could we have a full-tank shot of the plants?

Small, even for a Betta, and you can't add any more fish and particularly not sensitive ones like Otocinclus spp.

About as unsuitable as is possible. Have a look at <"Glide">

All also incredibly unsuitable, Cherry Shrimps might do, but I'm pretty sure the Betta will eat them.

What about <"Red Ramshorn (Planorbella duryi) or Tadpole (Physella acuta) snails">?

cheers Darrel
Interesting.

I will get more pics.

I wonder though, I’ve seen no midges in my abode? I am in a garden apartment so do get some insects, but the only flying things have been tiny black, what appear to be fruit flies or similar. Could it be them, as again, no midges.

How do I best eradicate them, if this is what they are?

Sorry my choices would be inappropriate for 5 gallons from when I thought it was algae. I thought 5 gallons could handle a trio of otos or one loach.

I disagree that a Betta can’t thrive in 5 gallons though. Anyhow, I want the best for all my critters and these are only temporary setups. I have just bought 5 aquariums, but I don’t want to transfer this problem to any new setup and want to know how to make sure I do what I need to do to not contaminate new setups.

One person on a FB group posted a very similar looking pic of his setup that gets them on his sponge filter that is up against the glass and where detritus forms. So he feels it’s a bacteria.

His is lighter brown, which is what mine looks like when it’s on the black airline tubing in my other setup and in other spots not on the plants.

Thank you. I really need to save everything, especially the Buce and of course I want the critters to be ok.
 

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Hi all,
I am in a garden apartment so do get some insects, but the only flying things have been tiny black, what appear to be fruit flies or similar. Could it be them, as again, no midges.
It could be them, and they could still be "Midges". I'm 99.9% sure that is what the tubes are.
I disagree that a Betta can’t thrive in 5 gallons though.
It is a cultural thing to some degree, Betta can definitely survive in tiny tanks. Europeans tend to like larger volumes of water for any fish. I'll add in @dean he is a Betta guru.
<"Planting can make a difference">, dense planting will improve water quality and make it a more interesting environment for your fish. If he starts <"making bubble nests"> that is usually an indication that conditions are suitable.
I have just bought 5 aquariums, but I don’t want to transfer this problem to any new setup and want to know how to make sure I do what I need to do to not contaminate new setups.
Midge larva feed on suspended organic matter in the water and in the mud (reference). I would simply leave them be and accept them as part of the aquarium food chain.
What @Simon Cole says. It honestly isn't anything to worry about. I deliberately add a <"range of invertebrates"> to my tanks.

cheers Darrel
 
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