New banned species

[mort]

I just saw that the eu have banned the sale of elodea crispa, lysichiton americanas, water hyacinth and cabomba caroliniana in the uk. Has anyone else heard this. I guess this is partly a situation similar to apple snails where they were causing problems elsewhere within the eu?

 

[zozo]

Yup starting from august 3 - 2016 (Yesterday) the unilist contains the following sp.

Aquatics/marginal,

Hydrocotyle ranunculoides
Ludwigia peploides
Myriophyllum aquatica
Lagarosiphon major
Ludwigia grandiflora
Cabomba caroliniana
Eichhornia crassipes

Terrestrial

Pueraria montana var lobata (kudzu),
Lysichiton americanus
Parthenium hysterophorus
Persicaria perfoliata
Heracleum persicum
Heracleum sosnowsky
Baccharis halimifolia

Might be lukey some old stock still be on the shelf at the moment.. But next year definitely gone what not already is in nature to be found.

 

[Guest]

Banned plant species are often garden escapees and usually very invasive aliens which out-compete native species. This has a knock on effect which can decimate natural and semi-natural ecosystems.

 

[zozo]

It rather is a strange subject with lots of controveries, people preserve and distroy at the same time.. Act like they stand above mother nature and think she wont make it without his meddling.. Except if she has to move for our benefit, then suddenly preservation gets another twist. Tho some preservation groups managed to bankrupt a complete newly planed international (Dutch/German) industrial building park in the make near my place because of preserving an endangered wild hamsters habitat living there. Which was rather a unique happening, never heard of something like that again. I guess only something for the western world, in lesser developed areas they would have distroyed it without remorse.

I thought it was a good thing that this happened all tho it did cost the region and huge economical dent and 1000nds of potential workstations got lost with it.

Actualy as long as humans (and animals) are roaming the planet, different sp. of plants and other animals traveled with them, long before the idea of preservation was invented. In all cases one sp. had to make place for the other and probably changed the invironment completely, nobody knows because nobody noticed nor recorded it. It was mother nature way of dealing with things.. Imagine how many native european fish and insect sp. had to make place with the carps and houseflies and who knows what more introduction by the Romans. We do not know, carp is already considered a native european fish as is the housefly. We are still here the carp is still here and the fly also, nothing much else happend, it is wath it is, what goes around comes around.. North america was a few centuries later already developed a legion preservatinists and if you catch a carp there it's considered a crime if you don't kill it. Distroy this to preserve that. It's wath the rabbit, sheap, cat, dog, housefly and camel did in Australia. The rat on some pacific islands.. Just to mention a few..

There is one thing on this planet we just can't distroy, how hard we even try and how much we care in the same time.. But mother nature will definitely survive us and go her own way just addapting and changing as she pleases..

 

[mort]

Banned plant species are often garden escapees and usually very invasive aliens which out-compete native species. This has a knock on effect which can decimate natural and semi-natural ecosystems.

I completely agree with banning or restricting species which can be problematic to native flora and fauna but (playing devils advocate a little) I'm not always for a blanket ban across the eu. For instance as I mentioned the apple snail was resently banned and I was told this was due to them causing a problem in places like Spain where they could over winter. I don't mind Spain banning them or places where they could be a threat but why a blanket ban? In the US some states have banned certain species, like florida with lionfish or a wider ban like with caulerpa macro algae across quite a few but these bans are limited to places where they are actually problems. Given that our average winter would take out a water hyacinth, (can't really find many success stories of people overwintering them in doors either) it seems a little unfair they won't be available. I guess for the greater good applies.

 

[zozo]

They do look further than the near future.. Climate is changing and european winters keep getting warmer.. And with lessons learned from the past, the estimate if we ban them now. we wont be to late when the time comes.. 🙂

But in the long run this probably is a war we can't win.. Pollen travels through the air, birds and animals eat, poop and cary around in their coat.. If it stands already for your door, there is no way to get to keep it out. Mother nature doesn't do borders.. I'm not saying it's a bad idea what they are doing but it simple is a delay of execution..

 

[Guest]

Nature's like that...no respect for geopolitical nonsense like sovereign boarders...it also has a nasty habit of biting us in the ass when we least expect it...just to remind us how small and insignificant we are😉

And in addition to global warming; pollution has to be tackled on a European and global basis too...transboundary pollution doesn't do boarders either...

 

[zozo]

Indeed Tim, we aint have much to say in that.. Tho we still think we can do so much, but in the end mother earth desides, she is the director of this film.
Speices come and spieces go, trying to preserve it is a very noble idea, but in a way already far to late.. I sometimes get the idea that peopel realy can't be of this planet, this because we do our best not to be part of it.. We seem to think to own it, but on the contrary, the planet owns us.. I guess in many cases we would be better of to accept we are a part of our nature and what spieces come with us are are a part of nature to, if one has to make place for the other.. That's what's evelotion is all about, surviver of the fitest. What's wrong enjoying a red flower instead of the yellow one which has to make way for the red one. Nature does this all the time for longer than we are present. And since we are part of it, we want to chance that and call a hold to it..

We are the borg and resistance is futile. It seems.

Btw did you see the documentary of the today wildlife flourishing in the no go zone chernobyl? It should be uninhabitable for how long?? We still think it still is, but mother nature flourishes and reclaimed the area completely back. Remarkable.. I wonder what ended up on our dinner plate with the eastwinds and the fall out back then.

 

[mort]

They say genesis khan was the "greenist" person to have lived because he (well under his name) killed so many people and stopped them stripping forests for farmland, or allowing farmland to be naturally recolonised. One way to beat global warming😉

 

[Manisha]

Yup starting from august 3 - 2016 (Yesterday) the unilist contains the following sp.

Aquatics/marginal,

Hydrocotyle ranunculoides
Ludwigia peploides
Myriophyllum aquatica
Lagarosiphon major
Ludwigia grandiflora
Cabomba caroliniana
Eichhornia crassipes

Terrestrial

Pueraria montana var lobata (kudzu),
Lysichiton americanus
Parthenium hysterophorus
Persicaria perfoliata
Heracleum persicum
Heracleum sosnowsky
Baccharis halimifolia

Might be lukey some old stock still be on the shelf at the moment.. But next year definitely gone what not already is in nature to be found.

I just wondered, does the ban apply to these species being sold in shops and retail or does it also apply to hobbyists keeping the plants? I expect there isn't really any way to regulate the second!

 

[zozo]

I just wondered, does the ban apply to these species being sold in shops and retail or does it also apply to hobbyists keeping the plants? I expect there isn't really any way to regulate the second!

Also keeping.. But it's not that they will fly over with a helicopter to check on you or do door to door searches.. It's law abiding citizin policy. 🙂

 

[Manisha]

Also keeping.. But it's not that they will fly over with a helicopter to check on you or do door to door searches.. It's law abiding citizin policy. 🙂

Ha, I guess not but it is good to know where you stand - I have cambomba Caroliniana in my tank/s already & wouldn't really want to obtain a banned species! Thanks for the information 🙂

 

[zozo]

I still bought Myriophyllum aquatica few months ago in the pond shop, they had buckets full of it flying over the counter like candies. I'm not sure if everybody who bought it, knows about this and is going to burn it. It's a bit croocked the nurseries and shops slash professionals should know first hand what's in the pipe line, but keep selling it till the last day.. And then expect everyone who bought to burn it? I didn't know till i got the Universities newsletter 2 weeks ago.

But i had indeed some of this plant surviving last winter, i wasn't much but it still did.

 

[mort]

I just wondered, does the ban apply to these species being sold in shops and retail or does it also apply to hobbyists keeping the plants? I expect there isn't really any way to regulate the second!

I was under the impression that if you already have it then it is fine to own you just aren't allowed to buy it or pass it on but i'm probably wrong.

 

[mort]

I still bought Myriophyllum aquatica few months ago in the pond shop, they had buckets full of it flying over the counter like candies. I'm not sure if everybody who bought it, knows about this and is going to burn it. It's a bit croocked the nurseries and shops slash professionals should know first hand what's in the pipe line, but keep selling it till the last day.. And then expect everyone who bought to burn it? I didn't know till i got the Universities newsletter 2 weeks ago.

But i had indeed some of this plant surviving last winter, i wasn't much but it still did.

Still see it available pretty frequently and it was on ebay for most of the summer. Have some in my pond that's been there for years as well but don' tell anyone

 

[zozo]

I was under the impression that if you already have it then it is fine to own you just aren't allowed to buy it or pass it on but i'm probably wrong.

Then you still need to have a signed receipt from the vendor to proof you already had it..
No kidding.... 🙂 Since it is EU regulation i guess it's the same for all, in my country it's also prohibited to keep it regarding the information i get from it.. 🙂..

 

[mort]

"If any of these species are already growing in a garden, there will be no attempt to remove them and it will not be illegal to grow them, so long as garden owners act responsibly and don’t encourage the plants to spread or escape." taken from http://www.hortweek.com/invasive-pl...-nears-agreement/plant-health/article/1375344

so I might not be going to jail

it also mentions that as long as stocks are still available that they have 2 years to sell them through.

 

[zozo]

Funny your article already dates december 2015 so then they knew already what was comming. 37 sp. ?. The Dutch article i red stated ingoing august 3th 2016 it is no longer allowed to keep etc. etc. of 39 sp. listed in the EU 🙂 The article itself dated 19 juli 2016..

 

[mort]

That article was just the first one i found on google.

and here in the UK we don't always follow the EU

 

[PARAGUAY]

Trouble with a lot of these things,do you trust the decision makers in their "decisions" The EU in particulr,goverment,local authority as a pretty poor record on common sense on a lot of issues. Take my local council as a example of the wider the things they say and the things they do? They have spent late spring early summer trimming trees and shubbery-er local authority nesting birds bees etc?Spent all summer hiring contractors to go around spraying plant and weedkillers,unfortuneatly looking for something to do obliterating everything in view ,part growing meadows,small areas attracting insects and birds what should be left alone,especially this time of year! The real downside Japanese Knotweed ,Giant Hogweed growing away rampant all over the rural areas and countryparks little happening in the way of control and trying complaining to your local authority might as well get your shears out yourself for the red tape you encounter.Coming back from a few days away noticed oil on a local river reported it answer-"its a difficult one its coming from private land"So agreeing we need to protect native habitats and wildlife we need to ensure those well payed boffins are the right people in properly run organisations