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micro and macro dosage

hasan66

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Maybe it will be useful to someone in micro and macro fertilizer dosage
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The plants look un healthy, which is why you are asking said question. Why not dose a bit more micro and see if it helps?
 
these are taken from my experimental setups. what is your question? what you are seeing is plant reacting to different sets of ratios.
Dude, a friend of mine sent this to me and said she used these dosages. Have you had success with these doses?
 
these are taken from my experimental setups. what is your question? what you are seeing is plant reacting to different sets of ratios.
I was looking for a successful suggestion for a micro mix.
 
Dude, a friend of mine sent this to me and said she used these dosages. Have you had success with these doses?
if you haven't noticed one of the Micro (right pic) was Tropica based clone. plant somehow reacted differently compared to the pic on the left where Micros were much lower. they both had some issues with what appear to be Fe deficiency, but this issue could have been related to many other factors. same Tropica clone was used on the following tank with little issue:
I was looking for a successful suggestion for a micro mix.
My standard is the following as of now (I play with them often):
Weekly:

Fe 0.1 (0.06 ppm Fe HEEDTA, 0.04 ppm Fe DTPA)
Mn 0.067
Zn 0.014
B 0.014
Cu 0.006-0.014
Mo 0.004

Fe DTPA, Fe HEEDTA, Mn EDTA, Zn EDTA, H3BO3, Cu EDTA, Na2MoO4*2H2O

Pic of the plant using this recipe above, I also do not use filter or any media. the tank runs on Pump and co2 reactor for flow.
 
Micro'dan birinin (sağdaki resim) Tropica tabanlı klon olduğunu fark etmediyseniz. bitki bir şekilde Mikroların çok daha düşük olduğu soldaki resme kıyasla farklı tepki verdi. her ikisinin de Fe eksikliği gibi görünen bazı sorunları vardı, ancak bu sorun başka birçok faktörle ilişkili olabilir. Aynı Tropica klonu aşağıdaki tankta çok az sorunla kullanıldı:

Şu an itibariyle standardım şu (onlarla sık sık oynuyorum):
Haftalık:

Fe 0,1 (0,06 ppm Fe HEEDTA, 0,04 ppm Fe DTPA)
Min 0,067
çinko 0,014
B 0,014
Cu 0,006-0,014
Pzt 0,004

Fe DTPA, Fe HEEDTA, Mn EDTA, Zn EDTA, H3BO3, Cu EDTA, Na2MoO4*2H2O

Yukarıdaki tarifi kullanan bitkinin resmi , ayrıca filtre veya herhangi bir ortam kullanmıyorum. Tank, akış için Pompa ve CO2 reaktörü üzerinde çalışır.
Thank you my friend. So, do you use nh4 and no3 as nitrate? Do they have their ratios? I will use them all together.
 
if you haven't noticed one of the Micro (right pic) was Tropica based clone. plant somehow reacted differently compared to the pic on the left where Micros were much lower. they both had some issues with what appear to be Fe deficiency, but this issue could have been related to many other factors. same Tropica clone was used on the following tank with little issue:

My standard is the following as of now (I play with them often):
Weekly:

Fe 0.1 (0.06 ppm Fe HEEDTA, 0.04 ppm Fe DTPA)
Mn 0.067
Zn 0.014
B 0.014
Cu 0.006-0.014
Mo 0.004

Fe DTPA, Fe HEEDTA, Mn EDTA, Zn EDTA, H3BO3, Cu EDTA, Na2MoO4*2H2O

Pic of the plant using this recipe above, I also do not use filter or any media. the tank runs on Pump and co2 reactor for flow.
Are these doses weekly?
 
if you haven't noticed one of the Micro (right pic) was Tropica based clone. plant somehow reacted differently compared to the pic on the left where Micros were much lower. they both had some issues with what appear to be Fe deficiency, but this issue could have been related to many other factors. same Tropica clone was used on the following tank with little issue:

My standard is the following as of now (I play with them often):
Weekly:

Fe 0.1 (0.06 ppm Fe HEEDTA, 0.04 ppm Fe DTPA)
Mn 0.067
Zn 0.014
B 0.014
Cu 0.006-0.014
Mo 0.004

Fe DTPA, Fe HEEDTA, Mn EDTA, Zn EDTA, H3BO3, Cu EDTA, Na2MoO4*2H2O

Pic of the plant using this recipe above, I also do not use filter or any media. the tank runs on Pump and co2 reactor for flow.
I guess daily
 
Thank you my friend. So, do you use nh4 and no3 as nitrate? Do they have their ratios? I will use them all together.
These are my standard. I target N as Proxy for my Macro dose, so it could be anywhere from 1-3 ppm N weekly. However, I never feel the need to exceed the Micro dose of 0.1 ppm Fe weekly as Proxy, regardless of weather I dose 1 or 3 ppm N.

RO water Mineralized to:
CaSo4:
Ca 10
S 8.0006
dGH 1.4007

MgSo4:
Mg 4
S 5.2771
dGH 0.9234

Macros, 1-2X Week:
N 1
P 0.13
K 0.8

KNO3, NH4NO3, UREA, KH2PO4:
0.23 N from KNO3
0.27 N from NH4NO3
0.5 N from Urea

Weekly:
Fe 0.1
Mn 0.067
Zn 0.014
B 0.014
Cu 0.014
Mo 0.004

Fe DTPA, Fe HEEDTA, Mn EDTA, Zn EDTA, H3BO3, Cu EDTA, Na2MoO4*2H2O

RO water Mineralized to:
CaCl:
Ca. 10
Cl 17.69
dGH. 1.42

MgSo4:
Mg. 4
S. 5.28
dGH. 0.92

Macros, 1-2X Week:
N 1
P 0.13
K 0.8

NH4NO3, KH2PO4, KCL (or K2SO4)

Weekly:
Fe 0.1
Mn 0.067
Zn 0.014
B 0.014
Cu 0.014
Mo 0.004

Fe DTPA, Fe HEEDTA, Mn EDTA, Zn EDTA, H3BO3, Cu EDTA, Na2MoO4*2H2O

Are these doses weekly?
Yep
 
Bunlar benim standardım. Makro dozum için Proxy olarak N'yi hedefliyorum, dolayısıyla haftalık 1-3 ppm N arasında olabilir. Bununla birlikte, hava durumu ne olursa olsun, Proxy olarak haftalık 0,1 ppm Fe Mikro dozunu aşma ihtiyacını asla hissetmiyorum, hava durumuna bakılmaksızın 1 veya 3 ppm N dozu veriyorum.

RO suyu aşağıdakilere göre mineralize edilmiştir:
CaSo4:
yaklaşık 10
S 8.0006
dGH 1.4007

MgSo4:
mg 4
S 5.2771
dGH 0.9234

Makrolar, 1-2X Hafta:
N 1
P 0.13
K 0,8

KNO3, NH4NO3, ÜRE, KH2PO4:
KNO3'ten 0,23 N
NH4NO3'ten 0,27 N
Üre'den 0,5 N

Haftalık:
Fe 0,1
Min 0,067
çinko 0,014
B 0,014
Cu 0,014
Pzt 0,004

Fe DTPA, Fe HEEDTA, Mn EDTA, Zn EDTA, H3BO3, Cu EDTA, Na2MoO4*2H2O

RO suyu aşağıdakilere göre mineralize edilmiştir:
CaCl2:
CA. 10
Cl 17.69
dGH. 1.42

MgSo4:
Mg. 4
S.5.28
dGH. 0,92

Makrolar, 1-2X Hafta:
N 1
P 0.13
K 0,8

NH4NO3, KH2PO4, KCL (veya K2SO4)

Haftalık:
Fe 0,1
Min 0,067
çinko 0,014
B 0,014
Cu 0,014
Pzt 0,004

Fe DTPA, Fe HEEDTA, Mn EDTA, Zn EDTA, H3BO3, Cu EDTA, Na2MoO4*2H2O


Evet
Thanks friend
 
These are my standard. I target N as Proxy for my Macro dose, so it could be anywhere from 1-3 ppm N weekly. However, I never feel the need to exceed the Micro dose of 0.1 ppm Fe weekly as Proxy, regardless of weather I dose 1 or 3 ppm N.

RO water Mineralized to:
CaSo4:
Ca 10
S 8.0006
dGH 1.4007

MgSo4:
Mg 4
S 5.2771
dGH 0.9234

Macros, 1-2X Week:
N 1
P 0.13
K 0.8

KNO3, NH4NO3, UREA, KH2PO4:
0.23 N from KNO3
0.27 N from NH4NO3
0.5 N from Urea

Weekly:
Fe 0.1
Mn 0.067
Zn 0.014
B 0.014
Cu 0.014
Mo 0.004

Fe DTPA, Fe HEEDTA, Mn EDTA, Zn EDTA, H3BO3, Cu EDTA, Na2MoO4*2H2O

RO water Mineralized to:
CaCl:
Ca. 10
Cl 17.69
dGH. 1.42

MgSo4:
Mg. 4
S. 5.28
dGH. 0.92

Macros, 1-2X Week:
N 1
P 0.13
K 0.8

NH4NO3, KH2PO4, KCL (or K2SO4)

Weekly:
Fe 0.1
Mn 0.067
Zn 0.014
B 0.014
Cu 0.014
Mo 0.004

Fe DTPA, Fe HEEDTA, Mn EDTA, Zn EDTA, H3BO3, Cu EDTA, Na2MoO4*2H2O


Yep
Hi friend, let me ask you one more thing. Will we use ascorbic acid or potassium sorbate as a preservative or will just white vinegar be enough?
 
Hi friend, let me ask you one more thing. Will we use ascorbic acid or potassium sorbate as a preservative or will just white vinegar be enough?
if you are using the above then the Micros/Fe and Macro solution are kept separately, I only added Potassium Sorbate. White Vinegar is fine to add along with potassium Sorbate. most of the time I no longer use Ascorbic Acid for my projects.
 
if you are using the above then the Micros/Fe and Macro solution are kept separately, I only added Potassium Sorbate. White Vinegar is fine to add along with potassium Sorbate. most of the time I no longer use Ascorbic Acid for my projects.
Yes, macro and micro will be in separate bottles, but I will use sulfate salts.
 
if you are using the above then the Micros/Fe and Macro solution are kept separately, I only added Potassium Sorbate. White Vinegar is fine to add along with potassium Sorbate. most of the time I no longer use Ascorbic Acid for my projects.
all elements will be sulfate base
 
if you are using the above then the Micros/Fe and Macro solution are kept separately, I only added Potassium Sorbate. White Vinegar is fine to add along with potassium Sorbate. most of the time I no longer use Ascorbic Acid for my projects.
Mnso4,cuso4,znso4,h3bo3,Na2MoO4*2H2O
Fe edta,fe dtpa,eddha,fe gluconate
 
if you are using the above then the Micros/Fe and Macro solution are kept separately, I only added Potassium Sorbate. White Vinegar is fine to add along with potassium Sorbate. most of the time I no longer use Ascorbic Acid for my projects.
Would just white vinegar be enough as a preservative? I will prepare it in a 200ml empty bottle.
 
if you are using the above then the Micros/Fe and Macro solution are kept separately, I only added Potassium Sorbate. White Vinegar is fine to add along with potassium Sorbate. most of the time I no longer use Ascorbic Acid for my projects.
Or is EDTA necessary?
 
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