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Coread

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Hi Everyone

I’m looking for advice on my lighting set up. I have the standard lights that came with my tank and was wondering if I should upgrade to support optimal plant health. I’m also cautious of over doing it and wasting money.

I run a low tech 200 litre tank (Aquael Opti 200 101cm (L) x 41cm (W) x 56cm (H)) - that is moderately planted.

It comes with 2 Leddy Tubes:
14w
7000 K colour temp
1270 Lumans

There is an option for a ‘plant’ light - which prompted this post:
14w
9000 K colour temperature

I’m relatively new to planted tanks, and slow or poor growth rate is something I’m slow to identify (here’s some pictures):

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I don’t run CO2 😊.
 
If your pictures are of well established plants, things look very good for a system without CO2. Your equipment is pristine, so either freshly set up or you have remarkably little algae.

Extra light intensity could turn out to be problematic without CO2.

CO2 in combination with high light intensity certainly increases plant growth very significantly, three or four times at least. But of course, without CO2, extra light could unbalance your system, which seems to be working well, unless you are constantly replacing dead or dying plants which since your concern is slow growth, I assume is not the case. You would be amazed how many older aquarium keepers, without decent lights and CO2 and with air pump operated airstones, blasting CO2 out of the water, treat plants as consumables, and replace them several times a year. If I had a £10 for every time an aquarium owner told me that the fish were eating the plants when in fact the plants are falling to bits because of low light and virtually no CO2 I would be able to afford to have my built in four foot upgraded to a 7 foot and still have change.

As for the spectrum issue, honestly, my experience is that most of it is marketing hype. Red and blue plant lights work a treat and use less electricity but the colour rendering is totally unacceptable. Photographic lights which have a high colour rendering work well, as do full spectrum house plant grow lights, but the heavy lifting on my tank is bog standard floodlights. Cheap and cheerful. I currently use 282 watts of LED, sometimes 'only' 230, on a four foot tank but I have to use a lot of CO2 and do a lot of trimming.
 
Looks good, I'd ditch that monte carlo and get something that will grow better in your tank, small anubias etc. Honestly you will get more rewarding results by adjusting the plant selection, rather than buying a new light. Also save some cash while you are at it.
 
If your pictures are of well established plants, things look very good for a system without CO2
It’s relatively new, we’re on week 6, the plants are a mix of old (from my old tank) and new.

The sword is new, and I think is shedding its emerged leaves (looks like algae likes to grab hold of decaying leaves).

As for the spectrum issue, honestly, my experience is that most of it is marketing hype
Thanks, i see was reading a few posts/journals from people with the same tank as me and they a few mentioned having a few plant lights alongside the lights I have (they look like that have a purple hue similar to UV).
plants which since your concern is slow growth, I assume is not the case
I think because I’m just finding my feet, I’m not entirely sure what a healthy version of my plant looks like.
I'd ditch that monte carlo and get something that will grow better in your tank, small anubias etc
Good suggestion, I don’t think it’s doing as well as I’d have liked it to (I wanted to soften the ‘retaining wall’).

Some more anubias is needed.
while you are at it.
Great advice! Is there anything that, at a glance, might not be suitable?

I generally impulse buy plants, but I think I need to take a little more time to research them.
 
Is there anything that, at a glance, might not be suitable?

I generally impulse buy plants, but I think I need to take a little more time to research them.
You could move your Buce to the rocks. For the back you could get some crypt balansea or a water lilly. If you like bushy, zestorifolia or polysperma. If you want deep reds, I'd get that from the fish or plants that grow tall and get red up there, close to the light eg. Red lilly.
 
purple hue
Yep, I don't use such lights, I don't like them but they do grow plants, no doubt whatsoever.

A little photo of my tank, with cheap warm and daylight LEDs, Rotala macrandra is pearling away, but there is some algae and the tank desperately needs a prune, the harlequins are struggling to find decent space for shoaling which is a shame. But as I said, I do use CO2, which means, that with some of the fast growing plants that I have, a good trim is necessary at least once a fortnight to keep open space.

For only 6 weeks and no CO2 your tank is excellent. I think the plant suggestions from palcente are very good.
Good luck and don't get too hung up on a particular plant species, the hobby is here to be enjoyed and with a bit of trial and error, patience and good husbandry a lovely tank can be maintained for decades. Easy Java fern does not do well in my tank and I had a lovely lily but it tried to take over!
 

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You could move your Buce to the rocks. For the back you could get some crypt balansea or a water lilly. If you like bushy, zestorifolia or polysperma. If you want deep reds, I'd get that from the fish or plants that grow tall and get red up there, close to the light eg. Red lilly.
Incredible, thank you for your for the suggestions - I really like all of these plants! I think I’ll swap out some of my stems slowly with Crypt balansea and polysperma. I really like Crypts, they’re my most successful plant in the tank at the moment.

The zestorifolia is something that would go perfectly mid tank too. I’ve been looking for something a little bushy.

I’ll move the Buce, and wedge it into the rock - as only the root is buried (I’ve left the rhizome above the surface) the Corys end up digging it out.

Hopefully, that will build up a more natural slope feel.

Is the Red Lilly a tiger lotus?
A little photo of my tank, with cheap warm and daylight LEDs
I like your tank, I like heavy natural looking growth, and it’s reassuring that I don’t necessarily need a fancy light to grow 😊.

What is that spear like plant at the front of the tank?

But as I said, I do use CO2, which means, that with some of the fast growing plants that I have, a good trim is necessary at least once a fortnight to keep open space
I’d have liked to use CO2, but struggled to find bottles in my area (without hefty delivery charges). Although it sounds like I could get on quite well without it - and increased workload would be good now, but I’m not sure how I’ll be in the summer.
 
spear like plant at the front
Sold to me a long time ago as a variety of cryptocoryne wendtii, I grew a load a few years back in a propagator in garden compost, kept moist at the roots with good air humidity and fairly well lit with a strip light - but the name covers a range of fairly variable looking plants, leaves come, less and more crinkled, and some are very brown specimens, some very green. Hard water tolerant so may prove a plant you could have easy success with, they do however, like a bit of nutrition in the substrate.

I also grow balanasae but it seems to really need a really rich substrate at its feet and more light than most crypts. My pick for ease in hard water if you want to focus on crypts is ciliata, which copes really well in hard water, not easy to find however.

CO2, but struggled to find bottles
I gave up years ago on refilling, bother and pricing, I now use a refurbished fire extinguisher - Amazon - but I find 5 Kg bottles a bit intimidating, though it lasts a year, and in the past have had more than acceptable lower maintenance tanks using a range of slow growing plants and no CO2 and soil under fine gravel and sand. Though generally if water is harder and plants are capable of biogenic decalcification for CO2 they require more light energy for this process. And of course, the process changes the pH of the water, sometimes quite significantly over a period of time and produces deposits.

If I was redoing my tank, which I may do, I would go for more soil - in bags to stop making a mess when pulling things out, I have used mesh bags filled with pond compost in the past - an up-market yeast & sugar CO2 system and somewhat less light, maybe around 100 watts of high lumen output LEDS, well spread. And no external filter, just two cheap large hang-on the backs without trickle facilities. I find externals such a bother - age I fear, I hate disconnecting them and lugging them about and I have had leaks in the past, from a 'top of the range' brand.

Anyway, the moral of all this is, that with the right balance of light, nutrition and plants, you don't have to have CO2 injection and, you certainly don't have to go for high pressure cylinder CO2.

I am a great fan of floating plants, yes they need thinned regularly, maybe once a week if light isn't strong, but they are excellent indicators of nutrition issues and they really help keep the water sweet and reduce algae issues. Hornwort loves hard water, my favourite Amazon frogbit is I have found not too keen on very hard water so you might not succeed with it.

Keep us informed here what you decide to and do continue to provide the odd photograph, rest assured folks here are genuinely interested in other folks projects and want to both help others and learn from others. After nearly 60 years in the hobby I learn something new here most weeks!
 
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Thanks Connswater, there is some great advice there! Here are the plants due in over the weekend:

Heteranthera zosterifolia
Red Tiger Lotus Bulb
Anubis Coffeefolia
Cryptocoryne Balansae
Cryptocoryne Wendtii (green gecko)
Frogbit (I’ll pick up some hornwort if this doesn’t succeed)

I’ve moved some of my plants around to make space - I didn’t realise how much space I had! - and you’re right, what a messy job, the soil just disintegrates.

I’ll update my journal once they’re been added 😊.
 
Is the Red Lilly a tiger lotus?
Yes. This is how it grows for me.. starts green and then when it gets close to the light, it turns red.

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I can send you some if you are happy to cover the postage.

Edit: Nvm, just noticed you ordered it!

Matt
 
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