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Been a civil servant for over 25 years. The last 10 working in local government transformation programmes.
After much experience with cabinet members, I have a firm belief as to what has been going “wrong”.

The steering of the county is much like so many of the failing aquariums we see posted. Long term stability with basic maintenance is traded for constant haphazard changes.

I feel like a melting crypt, desperately trying to adapt for the hundredth time while wishing the tank owner would just keep their hands out the water for 5mins.
 
Little said:
Been a civil servant for over 25 years. The last 10 working in local government transformation programmes.
After much experience with cabinet members, I have a firm belief as to what has been going “wrong”.

The steering of the county is much like so many of the failing aquariums we see posted. Long term stability with basic maintenance is traded for constant haphazard changes.

I feel like a melting crypt, desperately trying to adapt for the hundredth time while wishing the tank owner would just keep their hands out the water for 5mins.
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I think the analogy requires the country to have more Co2 🤔

And potentially more water changes... hang on a second, how many biomaster's does it take to filter the country? Do they remove Nigel Farage? So many questions 😵‍💫
 
Aqua sobriquet said:
coming from. Northern Ireland is surprisingly low
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The Labour Party has traditionally not stood for constituencies in Northern Ireland, and in fact, used to refuse membership to Northern Irish folks.

Though to be honest, given that the Tories were in power from 2010, some 14 years, the public might want to be a tad more realistic about what any government can do in a few months.

There seems still to be a general belief amongst Conservative, Labour, Liberal Democrat voters, SNP and Plaid Cymru voters, that we here in the UK, can have US taxes and European welfare provision. Though if Donald Trump gets really tough on tariffs with China it will be hard to see how the UK, especially outside of the EU, can avoid following, and thus to planted fish tanks, a huge amount of the products we aquarium keeping folks buy, comes from the People's Republic of China.
 
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They have reported this

www.bbc.co.uk

Keir Starmer: I'm not surprised some want general election re-run

The prime minister responds to an online petition calling for a new election, months after the last poll.
www.bbc.co.uk

The more interesting question is that given such a small proportion of voters actually wanted a labour government, how many of those that actually voted for them want a new election?
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yes, it's interesting that they have so many seats with only 33.7% of the vote.
 
It's true that the Labour Party had a low percentage of votes but it was democratic and the bigger parties have always opposed proportional representation because of obvious reasons. So only the Lib Dems can maybe feel aggrieved
What is worrying Farage teaming up with Musk to initiate this , what's Musk got to do with the British political system, it's a direct interference with another country's electoral democratic electoral system
 
Aqua sobriquet said:
I’ve never seen a petition grow so fast.
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Apparently it's the fastest growing petition in the history of UK petitions,

PARAGUAY said:
What is worrying Farage teaming up with Musk to initiate this , what's Musk got to do with the British political system, it's a direct interference with another country's electoral democratic electoral system
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Maybe this has something to do with it. Awkward. . .

news.sky.com

US election 'interference' row awkward for Starmer if Trump wins

The dispute began with a LinkedIn post from Labour's head of operations asking for people to travel to the US, saying nearly 100 were already going.
news.sky.com news.sky.com
 
Either way the " special" relationship is under huge scrutiny after David Lammys comments while in opposition about Trump. Strange times Robert Kennedy's son, coming from a family of Democrats, in the Trump team. He's anti vaccine and will be responsible for the health of the nation
 
PARAGUAY said:
He's anti vaccine and will be responsible for the health of the nation
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I’m guessing you know more than I do but I was under the impression that he’s a COVID vaccine sceptic?
He seems happy enough for those that want the Covid Vaccine to have it. He just wants the public to have more information to make an informed choice? At least that’s the impression I got.
 
The poll is completely bonkers given we just had an election but I'm intrigued by the announcement yesterday of a new all-Party group on electoral reform. I'm wondering/hopeful whether Labour is having a bit of a lightbulb moment of realisation that moving to a proportional electroral system might be one sure way of avoiding complete disaster at the next election. Given we are in the age of anti-incumbency, Labour's 33.7% of the vote is beginning to look like low hanging fruit for populist insurgents even under a first past the post electoral system.
 
mort said:
The more interesting question is that given such a small proportion of voters actually wanted a labour government, how many of those that actually voted for them want a new election?
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As of the time of writing the petition stands at 2,926,626
I suspect the majority of people signing the petition voted Labour in the 2024 GE and who feel betrayed.
Either way I'm sure we'll find out for sure when it's debated on January 6 2025

Aqua sobriquet said:
From your link, pretty much what I said in my post.

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As a responsible leader RFK has every right to be concerned about the efficacy and side effects of Covid vaccines.

bmjpublichealth.bmj.com

Excess mortality across countries in the Western World since the COVID-19 pandemic: ‘Our World in Data’ estimates of January 2020 to December 2022

Introduction Excess mortality during the COVID-19 pandemic has been substantial. Insight into excess death rates in years following WHO’s pandemic declaration is crucial for government leaders and policymakers to evaluate their health crisis policies. This study explores excess mortality in the...
bmjpublichealth.bmj.com bmjpublichealth.bmj.com

There are many more papers online that draw similar conclusions.
 
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I get it RKJ has the opinion and it's fair to respect that and all vaccines have a risk and thankfully the risk is usually rare especially with the trials and testing mechanisms used by the U.S.A,UK and Europe itself. Covid was different the trialing and testing had to be done at rapid pace. Most people had it and you probably won't see many in public wearing face masks and not many have Covid on their mind daily. The Internet largely unregulated is the master of misinformation and the anti vaccination people are coming out with unproven theory.
Hasn't there been a concern of childhood illnesses( measles eg )in children on the rise ,could this be connected to less parents not having their children vaccinated?
 
Maybe you're right @PARAGUAY. But just for one moment perhaps consider if RFK has legitimate reason to be concerned. After all I'm guessing he has greater access to public health data and key players than us muggles.

To quote from the second paper above

"Excess mortality has remained high in the Western World for three consecutive years, despite the implementation of containment measures and COVID-19 vaccines. This raises serious concerns. Government leaders and policymakers need to thoroughly investigate underlying causes of persistent excess mortality."

The journal it's published in, the BMJ, is a weekly peer-reviewed medical journal, published by BMJ Group, which in turn is wholly-owned by the British Medical Association (BMA). The BMJ has editorial freedom from the BMA. It is one of the world's oldest general medical journals, and is among the top 3 medical journals in the world.

This isn't fringe science and neither are the findings rare. They're now mainstream.

PARAGUAY said:
I get it RKJ has the opinion and it's fair to respect that and all vaccines have a risk and thankfully the risk is usually rare especially with the trials and testing mechanisms used by the U.S.A,UK and Europe itself. Covid was different the trialing and testing had to be done at rapid pace. Most people had it and you probably won't see many in public wearing face masks and not many have Covid on their mind daily. The Internet largely unregulated is the master of misinformation and the anti vaccination people are coming out with unproven theory.
Hasn't there been a concern of childhood illnesses( measles eg )in children on the rise ,could this be connected to less parents not having their children vaccinated?
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Maybe not so much this time

COVID-19 Modified mRNA “Vaccines”: Lessons Learned from Clinical Trials, Mass Vaccination, and the Bio-Pharmaceutical Complex, Part 1 | International Journal of Vaccine Theory, Practice, and Research

ijvtpr.com ijvtpr.com

(In conclusion) "We recommend a global moratorium on the modmRNA products until proper safety and toxicological studies are conducted."
 
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