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Five banded barbs

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Morning guys. I have a bit of a head scratcher here. My large system (approx 750L) has been running for around 5 weeks.
It is planted with a good amount (I believe) of plants which are now doing well (they were all grown emersed I believe so a few had some setbacks with a few initially).
I have it stocked with 30 green rasbora and 30 five banded barbs (NH4 and NO2 were both consistently reading zero before adding them).
I also have 12 otos, 3 Hillstream loach and a load of cherry shrimp & Ramshorn). The last 2 days I’ve lost around 6 barbs - I’ve found 4 and can see a bit of another and when counting I can only get to around 24 (they’re almost impossible to count!!). All other livestock seems fine.
The barbs were all happily swimming out in the open over the last week and a half but today seem reluctant to leave the safety of the plants.
The dead ones showed no sign of disease that i could see and the remaining ones all look nice and healthy and are eating.
The rasboras are all acting normally and swimming happily in the open water.
I’ve run some tests this morning and both NH4 & NO2 are still zero, NO3 is around 2.5 (I know this is on the low side for planted) and KH is 2 and GH is 4-5.
Tank temp is 23C and substrate is aquasoil (built up with crushed lava rock for height), capped with aquarium sand. There is a reasonable amount of flow but I don’t think it’s excessive.
So the question is, what’s going on with the barbs? There doesn’t appear to be any bullying that I’ve seen.
Just for the record, I’ve been keeping a reef tank for the last 6 years so this isn’t my first rodeo! Just not hugely experienced with schools of fish.
I would expect to lose possibly one or two out of 30 but for 6 to disappear in a few days seems a bit more than I thought would be normal.
I know it’s a ridiculously hard thing to diagnose without any outwardly obvious signs but thought I’d throw this out there to you guys in case someone else had a similar experience?
I carry out 50% weekly water change and use TNC complete for now, with liquid carbon - are these guys hyper sensitive to liquid carbon? Thanks for taking the time to read my longwinded essay!!!!
 

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What is your pH? Also, Desmopuntius pentazona are blackwater fish, used to low light environments, very low hardness and acidic water. In a tank with (probably?) heavy lighting and no place to hide, they won't feel safe and might turn susceptible to stress and disease.

That being said, six deaths in two days is still indeed strange.
 
What is your pH? Also, Desmopuntius pentazona are blackwater fish, used to low light environments, very low hardness and acidic water. In a tank with (probably?) heavy lighting and no place to hide, they won't feel safe and might turn susceptible to stress and disease.

That being said, six deaths in two days is still indeed strange.
They were all very active and out swimming from the second day of being added. pH is 7 and KH 2, GH 4-5. My water is super soft coming from the tap, KH2 and GH 2 so have buffered GH up slightly for the cherry shrimp.
I’m upping their feeding from twice a day as maybe they’re burning up too much energy with the flow in the tank - it’s not high but there is reasonable flow (haven’t worked out if I can add a video to the chat yet!!)
 
If you haven’t lost any ottos, I’d say the barbs just aren’t the best batch.
That was my thinking but spoken to my supplier (who I’ve been dealing with for quite a while) and he said the rest at the shop were all fine. I guess it’s a case of wait and see as there’s nothing obvious for me to see and fix as yet
 
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This was them after just under a week after they had settled and have been like this up till yesterday
 

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Could be stress related?
Reduce the flow and lighting if you can.
I would stop the Liquid Carbon, for the time being..... the aquarium looks as though it needs more plant mass and surface cover!!!
You could try using fast-growing stem plants as extra surface cover.
 
This was them after just under a week after they had settled and have been like this up till yesterday
They look ok.

One in the middle of your last image you posted looks to be in poor condition Though, so you may have just had a few dodgy ones like that in a batch.

Sometimes it happens unfortunately.

Cheers
 
Thanks for all the replies guys. So I’ve managed to get a better look at them today as they have been out a bit more than yesterday, and it looks like it was 4 I lost not 6. They seem to have a bit more confidence again since I did a 50% water change earlier. Maybe there was something in the water upsetting them that o couldn’t test, maybe DOC’s??
Have just introduced spirulina flakes to their diet as well and they have wolfed it all down.
Fingers crossed it was just a few weak ones, we shall see
 
Here are some of the more confident ones
 

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