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Dirt, Rock and Wood (and some plant of course)

alkm

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My initial plan had been to document the use of the EI dosing method in my CO2 dosed tank. However, after the negative experience I had recently using CO2 I’m not ready to set up another high tech system so I’m going to give the low tech dirt tank system a go. I’ll attempt to document the set up and development of the tank in this journal and share my experiences, both positive and negative, on the forum. This will be good learning for me (and maybe useful for other people) as I’ll be keeping a record of everything I do and this will hopefully make solving the inevitable problems easier – especially with the help and advice of everyone on these forums.

As I lost all my livestock in my previous set up, I completely stripped down my tank and cleaned everything thoroughly. A blank canvas…………….

I will be working towards establishing a low maintenance system incorporating some of the ideas on this forum (especially from Troi’s post), Diana Walstad (I’ve just read her excellent book – Ecology of the Planted Aquarium) and Tom Barr’s EI dosing method.

Aquarium Parameters
Volume: 150 litres (~ 40 US gallons)
Temperature: 22degC – Lower temp should increase CO2 solubility
Filtration: 1 x external filter (Aquamanta EFX200)
Lighting: 2 x T5 HO 39W without reflectors
Photoperiod: 4.5-3-4.5 siesta regime (4.5 hours on - 3 hours off - 4.5 hours on).
Substrate: Westland top soil : John Innes No3 – 2:1 ratio topped with Unipac sand. The soil layer is approx 1 in deep and the sand layer is approx 0.5 – 1 in deep.
Fertiliser: Low tech EI

Here's the soil I used
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Aquarium Maintenance
My plan is to change approximately 20% of the water every month. I will set this water at a specific GH and alkalinity (more on that below)

Tap Water Quality
I live in Sheffield and we have very soft water with a low nitrate concentration.
pH 7 - 8
Calcium 5.45 ppm
Magnesium 2.4 ppm
Sodium 28.2 ppm
Iron 20 ppb
Nitrate 2.2 ppm
Nitrite 9 ppb
Copper 20 ppb
Sulphate 52 ppm
Total Hardness 9.5 ppm

As you can see from the figures the total hardness is 9.5 ppm (~1.3 dGH) which means the water is very soft and has low carbonate buffering capacity. In my previous set up I did notice melting in some of the plant species and I think this may have been partially attributable to the fact that the levels of Ca and Mg were very low – I also think I was starving the plants.

I will adjust the GH of the water by approximately 6 dGH using a mixture of calcium chloride and magnesium sulphate in a 4:1 ratio.

I also plan to increase the alkalinity by adding 1 dKH equivalent as potassium bicarbonate. This will also serve to add potassium to the aquarium.

Every time I perform a water change I’ll adjust the GH and alkalinity to match that described above. Assuming that the fish food will not add a large amount of nutrients (such as K, Mg) to the water column then I don’t think I’ll get accumulation but we’ll see.

EI Dosing Plan
After reading a lot on here and on thebarrreport.com I’ll be initially aiming for the following concentrations of nutrients dosed once a week based on a 10:1 dosing ratio for CO2:Non CO2 tanks.

Nitrate 2 ppm
Phosphate 0.3 ppm
Potassium 0.6 ppm - concentration will be dictated by addition of potassium nitrate and potassium phosphate (potassium will be added through potassium bicarbonate)
Iron 0.05 ppm – the concentration of all the other trace elements in the mix will be relative to the iron concentration.

As I currently have no fish in the tank I’m going to triple the dosing until the tank is stocked.

Plants
Pistia Stratiotes
Limnobium laeviatum
Alternanthera reineckii 'Rosanervig'
Bacopa caroliniana
Cryptocoryne Wendii
Echinodorus blaheri
Eleocharis Parvula
Ludwigia Repens 'rubin'
Hygrophila Siamensis
Vallisneria Natans
Egeria Densa

Some pictures of the tank set up:

In with the muck.
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Next up the unipac sand – I chose Maui fine sand.

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Now for the hardscape – Two rocks and a bit of wood.

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And finally with all the plants.
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The tank is still cycling so no fish or shrimp just yet. I’m excited and nervous all at the same time. I just hope some of the plants take and start to thrive. I’ll try to update every 3 weeks or so dependent on my free time. So let’s see what happens from here…………………….

If you have any advice, comments, ideas or questions just let me know.

Cheers
 
Tank looks good. Maybe a black background?

Hardscape is good but will soon be obscured by plant growth, i would suggest planting round rather than in front of hardscape.

This is of course a suggestion as your aquarium looks good. It will be good to see it once its grown in.
 
Thanks for your comments Derek113.

Hardscape is good but will soon be obscured by plant growth, i would suggest planting round rather than in front of hardscape.
I think this is a good point. I've moved the Hygrophila from in front of the rock to the back of the tank and I think it looks better. However, like you said if the plants grow then they'll obscure everything and I certainly wont be disappointed if that happens.

Things look good at the moment but I'm dreading the visit from the algae monster :nailbiting:.
 
Things look good at the moment but I'm dreading the visit from the algae monster :nailbiting:.[/QUOTE]

Keep up with water changes and start off with short ligh periods. Maybe 5/7 hours with an off period inbetween. For this use a timer if your not using one.

When your filter is stable get some ottos in there. Ottos earn their keep
 
Keep up with water changes and start off with short ligh periods. Maybe 5/7 hours with an off period inbetween. For this use a timer if your not using one.

I have got the lights on a timer but I'm going to leave the lighting period unchanged apert from increasing the off period from 3 to 4 hours. We'll see what happens......

When your filter is stable get some ottos in there. Ottos earn their keep

I've never kept Ottos so I'll consider these when I'm ready to stock the tank with fish. How many would you recommend for a 150 L tank?

Cheers
 
I would say one otto per 20 litre, some would say more or less. A minimum of six would be my recommendation.
 
I've been thinking about getting some dwarf rainbow fish and guppies and a few amano shrimps. I'm always open to suggestions though, so if you have any recommendations I'd be happy to hear him.
 
Sounds great, and I like your plan. I would however, take one tube out and use a 6 hr photoperiod, at least until your plants become established and you get a decent covering of floaters - you can put a siesta period in between if you want. Once you have dense growth you can possibly add the other tube and go from there.
 
I've been thinking about getting some dwarf rainbow fish and guppies and a few amano shrimps. I'm always open to suggestions though, so if you have any recommendations I'd be happy to hear him.


I was looking at fish for ages as i was stocking my aquarium. I wanted something different but settled for fairly common fish. Angels and peacock gudgeons.

Rare fish were mostly tank busters so i was a bit dissapointed with limitations.

However i do keep dwarf rainbows and although they have fantastic colour, they lack in behaviour. I dont find them very interesting.

I go on about these fish all the time, bleeding heart tetras. Thats my ultimate fish
 
Sounds great, and I like your plan. I would however, take one tube out and use a 6 hr photoperiod, at least until your plants become established and you get a decent covering of floaters - you can put a siesta period in between if you want. Once you have dense growth you can possibly add the other tube and go from there.

Thanks for the advice Troi. Derek113 also suggested that I reduce the photoperiod to 6hr and I know that you're both speaking from experience and no doubt this is the rigth thing to do. However, call me foolish, naive etc I now want to see how the set-up develops under the current conditions. I'm treating it more as an experiment so I can see for myself what happens under different parameters. I'm recording everything I do and making observations of the plants etc, so it'll be interesting to see how it progresses. I am very grateful for the advice and definately welcome all suggestions.

In your expereince when would you expect to see algae develop under the conditions I'm running?

Thanks.
 
Thanks for the advice Troi. Derek113 also suggested that I reduce the photoperiod to 6hr and I know that you're both speaking from experience and no doubt this is the rigth thing to do. However, call me foolish, naive etc I now want to see how the set-up develops under the current conditions. I'm treating it more as an experiment so I can see for myself what happens under different parameters. I'm recording everything I do and making observations of the plants etc, so it'll be interesting to see how it progresses. I am very grateful for the advice and definately welcome all suggestions.

In your expereince when would you expect to see algae develop under the conditions I'm running?

Thanks.
That's really down to various parameters; everyone's tank is different.
High light in a low-energy can work well for a short period if all the other parameters are balanced, but you will eventually run in to trouble unless your plant biomass keeps apace.
Darrel (DW1305) runs high light in his low-energy tanks but he has an enormous plant biomass and a covering of floaters.

I experimented with high light myself low-energy - no CO2 or LC - and after about 2-3 months various types of algae started to creep in. No doubt if I'd kept it that way it would eventually have become an algae farm.
Nevertheless, what you intend to do is a great idea, I'm sure it'll be a worthwhile learning experience - there's no substitute for actual experience.
Good luck and keep us posted😉
 
Hi everyone. I thought I’d post an update on how the tank is going after 3 weeks. Overall I’m really happy with the way the plants have established in the tank. Every plant appears to be healthy and I’ve observed some excellent growth (see pics at end of post).

Initial planting

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Week 3

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After the first week the Egeria densa began to melt. However, this only lasted a few days and it quickly acclimatised and is now growing rapidly. The Echinodorus, Ludwigia and Hygrophila are all flourishing and look really healthy - also added some Staurogyne that survived my old tank. I’ve seen moderate growth from the Vallisneria and Crypts and again they look very healthy – the Vallisneria is starting to send out runners. The Alternanthera hasn’t really done much and some of the leaves appear curled. I believe this plant is a slow grower so patience is required on my part.

The Bacopa initially grew rapidly and appeared very strong. However in the last week there has been some melting of the lower leaves.

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I can see new growth on the plant and all the new growth that has taken place in the tank looks healthy. If anyone has any tips on growing Bacopa, and how to prune it, I’d love to hear them.

The biggest surprise for me so far has been the hair grass. I thought this would die back pretty quickly. On the contrary, it appears to have established and is starting to send off runners. I’ve had to trim it already as it growing quickly.

Growth from the floating plants has been phenomenal. They are spreading like the plague and I’ve had to thin them out twice already. I added another variety (Salvinia) after the first week.

So, what about algae? There is algae present but it’s at a perfectly acceptable level. I noticed it after the first week on the wood and the leaves of the Alternantha.

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Fortunately, I was able to add 6 Ottos after 12 days, and 9 amamo shrimp a few days later, as I had mature filter media in my external. These guys very efficiently removed all the algae on the wood and the plant leaves – you’ve got to love them and I have to say thanks to Derek113 for his excellent advice regarding the Ottos. I’d be more than happy for the algae levels to stay as they are now but we’ll have to wait and see how it develops, so far so good though.

In terms of maintenance I’ve carried out 2 water changes of 25 L (approx 17%) and scraped the aquarium glass each time. During the second water change I used the suction cup on the hair grass and removed a reasonable amount of debris. I’m going to leave the tank for a month before I make another 25 L change.

Anyway, I’ve taken a few more pictures of the tank. Let me know what you think.

Week 1 - Ludwigia and Alternanthera

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Week 3 - Ludwigia and Alternanthera

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Week 1 - Echinodorus and Crypts

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Week 3 - Echinodorus and Crypts

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Week 1 - Eleocharis

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Week 3 - Eleocharis

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Week 3 - Vallisneria and Hygrophila

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Floating plants

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Some of the critters.

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My daughter's Betta is in the tank while I sort her tank out.

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Anyway, so far I'm really pleased. I'll update again in August some time.

Thanks
 
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