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Bottom dwelling fish and shrimp dying

DavidW

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Hi

Over the past few weeks my some of my corys, and lots of my amano shrimp and otos have been disappearing and today I noticed a dead cory no signs of infection or damage of any sort. All the other fish in my tank, Discus, Rams and Tetra are fine and so are the shrimp in my sump.

I've checked my water parameters and they are all fine. Around the same time I switched from an inline CO2 diffuser to an in tank diffuser. I've also setup a continuous water changer which is fed from a HMA filter into a storage tank with a powerhead to keep the tank water moving and this then drips into the aquarium.

Any thoughts as to why this is happening. Could it be down to the in tank CO2 which is placed at the bottom of the tank?

Thanks
 
It is very hard to say what the cause is.. I only can give you an example of one of my own experiences and of what i think the probable cause is..

I feed regularly froozen food, like bloodworm, daphnia, krill etc.. With this always comes a load of planaria eggs.. Then if you do not have any planaria eating fish the result might be a lot of planaria crawling through the tank.. Not realy a problem, but if it gets out of control it looks insightly. Now there is a product on the market called NoPlanaria, of which they state it is shrimp and fish safe, safe to most common snails and kills planaria. So i gave it a try to get give the planaria population a hard time. It worked like a treat with in the 3 given days, no more planaria to see, unfortunately my snails probably where not so common, all died.

Anyway as it looks the fish and amano shrimp were not affected by the product.. All was ok at least for the first 2 weeks and then all shrimp one after another turned an ember color and died with a typical intoxication symptom.. A few weeks later i noticed the majority of Pygmaea Cory's suffering from finrot, so i had to treat the tank again with antibiotics, furtunately all survived, not all have their fins back yet but are healthy again.

Now what happend? Most likely, because it all happend shortly after the NoPlanaria treatment.. All dead planaria in the substrate started to rot as most like all baby snails did too. This will cause i very high amonia and nitrite bioload and maybe some unwanted bacteria explosian as well at the substrate level. Tho i checked regularly for the most common causes of shrimp intoxication, ammonia, nitrite or metals, but the tests never showed any off vallues in the water collumn. Still i suspect the NoPlanaria aftermath to be the cause, shrimps especialy amanos constantly turn over the substrate as cory's also constantly dig into it.. This activity creates a little microbubble of toxic substannes close to the substrate where the fish and shrimp are in. This toxic bubble obviously delutes while it mixes with the rest of the water column.. Anyway the long term effect is intoxication, deadly to shrimps, because they are very sensitive to this, less deadly to fish but still it makes them weak and susceptible to infections etc.

Very hard to proof theory, but still it fits chronological perfectly together because all occured with in 2 months after the NoPlanaria treatment and it was the first and last time i had any issues in this tank..

Anyway if your fish and shrimp are dying there is obviously something wrong in the tank.. What it is, i realy can't say with the information you provide.. It can be a number of things causing it.. 9 out of 10 times it is bad maintenance or adding toxics to the water.. Or introducing an infecton with new fish or materials..

Think back for your self if there is something you have changed or added in the past time, check all your equipment for any kind of malfunction (wrong temperatur??). Healthy fish are pretty resiliant, they ussualy get sick and infected if conditions are bad for longer periode and they become weak because of that and susceptible to a number of infections.. Do extra water changes and inspect your living fish closely for any signs of infection, like parasites, fungus or finrot etc.. A dead fish always looks unsightly and probably chunks bitten off or sucked uppon by some snails.. A dead fish only tells you it's dead, diagnose your living fish to find out if there is something wrong and treat them accordingly..

Good luck..
 
I've had a look for planaria and can't see any signs. I think I've found most of my amano shrimp they look like they have moved into the sump. I'm leaning towards a CO2 problem as I also have BBA in the tank now. I have 2 drop checkers and both are showing low levels of CO2 but if I do a reading with my PH pen it's showing 6.9 before the CO2 turns on and 6.5 at the end of the day. I've been checking my parameters and they seem fine too but my KH is 6. Now the cart below indicates with a PH of 6.5 and a KH of 6 my CO2 is 58.9! Is this likely? and is so why are both my drop checkers sowing a blue green colour?
 
If those parameters are right, you are killing your critters with CO2. Did you adjust the CO2 after changing the diffuser? Different diffusers work with different pressures and CO2 may dissolve better with your new one...
 
I did increase the CO2 when I originally put the in tank diffuser in. I increased it until the drop checker liquid turned green, but I have turned it down to half that now but I'm now getting the reading above and I'm puzzled as to why it could be at nearly 60mg/l and both my drop checkers are still blue with just a hint of green. The other issue is the BBA should I have BBA if my CO2 is so high?
 
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