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Aquatics live cancelled.

That's a real shame. I really do think that they should look to how European shows are run and take some ideas from that. Vivarium, for example, was a great show and plenty to see.
 
Bummer is all I can say!
I look forward to the show and a catch up. After 2 years i was just starting to get to know a few faces. Just set up a savings plan too for this years as I have to travel and stay over at least one night, plus parking etc....maybe as said this is a reason for the lack of commitment.
Hey ho, hopefully there will be something of interest this year. Maybe we could all back PFK to organise something as said in the last paragraph of that release.
 
Pathetic. Truly Pathetic ! Shame on the organisers and all of the major industry players for allowing this to happen. You have local, regional and national fishkeeping clubs managing to organise events nationwide, and yet the big guns in our hobby can't manage to keep a two day Aquarist convention like this going. Why ? Not enough bums on seats ? Not making ENOUGH profit ? Oh well, lets give up. Never mind showing the initiative to try and make it work. Makes my blood boil.:(
 
If one cannot organize a show in London, with 12 million people.. damm, things are indeed hard.. :(

There is the London Pet Show, a resounding sucess, always full.. There is Discover Dogs.. another full show.. and this is not profitable enough? Just sad..
 
I've just read on Facebook on Maidenhead Aquatics post news of this and one of the comments from someone is " I never knew events like this were on " .... I think that's the answer and problem rolled into one - a very bad marketing and advertising campaign! .... I mean, the biggest city, some of the biggest names involved and it still did not work???!
 
Gary Nelson said:
I've just read on Facebook on Maidenhead Aquatics post news of this and one of the comments from someone is " I never knew events like this were on " .... I think that's the answer and problem rolled into one - a very bad marketing and advertising campaign! .... I mean, the biggest city, some of the biggest names involved and it still did not work???!
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Those big names are clever enough to advertise their own products though !
 
A big problem with last year is PFK didnt support it, im sure there were valid reasons but without PFK its pretty difficult to get word out and support it to grow....

Does anyone know why fish sales were not allowed? Is it a licensing issue? I could only imagine if there were auctions etc over the weekend that would draw good crowds.

As there is no AL maybe we are due another Green Machine meet and live scaping from someone cool..? last one was before my time here but looked good.
 
Iain Sutherland said:
A big problem with last year is PFK didnt support it, im sure there were valid reasons but without PFK its pretty difficult to get word out and support it to grow....

Does anyone know why fish sales were not allowed? Is it a licensing issue? I could only imagine if there were auctions etc over the weekend that would draw good crowds.

As there is no AL maybe we are due another Green Machine meet and live scaping from someone cool..? last one was before my time here but looked good.
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Thats outrageous. The UK's number one aquatic magazine, and they don't support the UK's biggest aquatic event. Is that actually correct that they did not advertise the event at all ? If so that is truly reprehensible and one has to question the motives of the magazine. I wouldn't know cos I stopped reading it years ago. I would rather read Amazonas any day.
 
Probably many people stopped reading PFK. It costs money to buy it after all.
If PFK is to support this kind of event they will need the support of their readers first. The money will have to come from somewhere and in every business they come from sales.
So the question is - What did PFK got out of the previous events? I am quite sure that the answer is next to nothing, because if they had managed to get more business out the Aquatics Live why drop it then?
The problem in present days is that forums grow way more popular than magazines. In fact magazines have to advertise in forums to get enough readers to sell enough prints to sustain business.
While people socialize on forums they don't much socialize in real life and this is the down fall of any public event.
It is easy to sit behind a pc and chat to peeps. It costs nothing extra.
Big events can not happen only by the big guns making it happen, not without the small bullets adding up to the big picture.

So all of you people will have to ask your selves – What did I do to support this event, PFK etc.?

I know that some did a lot, but much many more did nothing. If the many do nothing else, but enjoy the ride they will also have to understand that the ride will be short.
 
Aquadream said:
Probably many people stopped reading PFK. It costs money to buy it after all.
If PFK is to support this kind of event they will need the support of their readers first. The money will have to come from somewhere and in every business they come from sales.
So the question is - What did PFK got out of the previous events? I am quite sure that the answer is next to nothing, because if they had managed to get more business out the Aquatics Live why drop it then?
The problem in present days is that forums grow way more popular than magazines. In fact magazines have to advertise in forums to get enough readers to sell enough prints to sustain business.
While people socialize on forums they don't much socialize in real life and this is the down fall of any public event.
It is easy to sit behind a pc and chat to peeps. It costs nothing extra.
Big events can not happen only by the big guns making it happen, not without the small bullets adding up to the big picture.

So all of you people will have to ask your selves – What did I do to support this event, PFK etc.?

I know that some did a lot, but much many more did nothing. If the many do nothing else, but enjoy the ride they will also have to understand that the ride will be short.
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The answer to your question, you have aluded to it yourself.... By supporting the event, PFK would be contributing to the hobby, developing interest of more people and doing the right thing. This in turn would improve (some) peoples opinion of them. It might increase circulation (they are forever throwing gifts at their potential readers to subscribe, why then not offer a discount to the event upon showing a coupon in the magazine. That could increase circulation ! Its a shame that so many people think "what do I get out of it" in order to do something in the first place and your post highlights that perfectly. But I would have thought it was a no brainer that to support such events and to advertise them (advertising on the part of a magazine costs them nothing) would be of benefit to whoever does so. Otherwise why do UKAPS support it ? Simple. To increase awareness of our hobby and hopefully get more people interested. If UKAPS can do it, then Im damn sure PFK can, given that they are part of a rather large publicity house.

Anyway, I personally do not know for sure if they did not support the event, Im going by what someone else has said, but at the end of the day, if they didn't its a poor show.
 
balls :( I was really looking forward to this and had already booked leave so I could help out on the friday.

we need to look into getting a national meet together somehow. Ill miss watching Iain fall flat on his face again after many many many alcoholic drinks!
 
Balls balls balls. Now that is a surprise. It could be seen coming though. Perhaps London and particularly Olympia is just too expensive to run something like that. It was too expensive for exhibitors and organisers likewise. Lots of silly restrictions in law as well, fish sales as an example. Dont bash PFK guys, we dont know for sure how it really was.

I would suggest to people who want to spend couple days socialising with ukaps members, get drunk, get black eyes etc. to consider visting europes biggest events such as Vivarium in Holland or Hanover in Germany. Been twice in first one and once in second and all 3 trips were great. Vivarium has more to offer if you want to spend money on plants and other aquatic related staff and listen to lectures. Hannover offers unique aquascaping contest with the quality standard worth IAPLC top places and super posh shrimp championship with loads of top class specimen on display.

I am definitely going to hannover again next year and most likely vivarium also.
Price wise it will most likely be same or even cheaper than AL even with flights and accomodation.
Bad things happen to good. Part of me is bit happy that there wont be 10 days of hard labour this November :lol:
Lets hope it will be back in 2014.
 
BIN578 said:
The answer to your question, you have aluded to it yourself.... By supporting the event, PFK would be contributing to the hobby, developing interest of more people and doing the right thing. This in turn would improve (some) peoples opinion of them. It might increase circulation (they are forever throwing gifts at their potential readers to subscribe, why then not offer a discount to the event upon showing a coupon in the magazine. That could increase circulation ! Its a shame that so many people think "what do I get out of it" in order to do something in the first place and your post highlights that perfectly. But I would have thought it was a no brainer that to support such events and to advertise them (advertising on the part of a magazine costs them nothing) would be of benefit to whoever does so. Otherwise why do UKAPS support it ? Simple. To increase awareness of our hobby and hopefully get more people interested. If UKAPS can do it, then Im damn sure PFK can, given that they are part of a rather large publicity house.

Anyway, I personally do not know for sure if they did not support the event, Im going by what someone else has said, but at the end of the day, if they didn't its a poor show.
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That is if the PFK company have money to invest in shows. The money comes from sales. And if i read here that some say they don't read PFK anymore how can anyone expect PFK to support anything? With what?

I have international business and I know these things.

If you think it costs nothing or so little to support Aquatics Live then go ahead and DIY. Let see how easy it is then.

Any company can advertise all day long, but if people like you don't buy then it is over.

The reason that PFK supported Aquatics Live for two years and then retracted is because they did not get support in return. Fewer and fewer readers are buyng their magazines out competed by the Internet every day more and more.

So before anyone criticize too much and open big mouth, start your own business, support events and see how it goes.
 
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