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Alternanthera deficiency
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John q
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Hiya @nijat11
Some more information about your tank would be super helpful.
1. Size of tank in litres.
2. Age of the set - up.
3. Filtration.
4. Lighting and duration.
5. Substrate.
6. Co2 dosing or Non-dosing.
7. Fertilizers used & Ratios.
8. Water change regime and type.
9. Plant list + When planted.
10. Drop Checker.
11. Inhabitants.
12. Full tank shot & Surface Image.
Without knowing anything about the tank and going off your fertilizer dosing I'd maybe suspect there are numerous deficiencies at play here. Assuming you add specialized and premium 3x per week (42ml of each in total) you'd be adding.
Specialized:
Element ppm/degree
N 0.563
P 0.042
Mg 0.164
K 0.433
S 0.382
Fe 0.029
Premium:
Element ppm/degree
K 0.336
Mg 0.164
S 0.382
Fe 0.029
So to me not really adding much of anything really.
Don't forget to answer the questions in the link and post a full tank shot.
Cheers.
Some more information about your tank would be super helpful.
1. Size of tank in litres.
2. Age of the set - up.
3. Filtration.
4. Lighting and duration.
5. Substrate.
6. Co2 dosing or Non-dosing.
7. Fertilizers used & Ratios.
8. Water change regime and type.
9. Plant list + When planted.
10. Drop Checker.
11. Inhabitants.
12. Full tank shot & Surface Image.
Without knowing anything about the tank and going off your fertilizer dosing I'd maybe suspect there are numerous deficiencies at play here. Assuming you add specialized and premium 3x per week (42ml of each in total) you'd be adding.
Specialized:
Element ppm/degree
N 0.563
P 0.042
Mg 0.164
K 0.433
S 0.382
Fe 0.029
Premium:
Element ppm/degree
K 0.336
Mg 0.164
S 0.382
Fe 0.029
So to me not really adding much of anything really.
Don't forget to answer the questions in the link and post a full tank shot.
Cheers.
_Maq_
Member
Additional questions:
How old is the tank? How long are the Alternantheras in the tank? How long are the other plants we can see on pic 1 in the tank?
(It may be that Alternantheras are sensitive to glutaraldehyde. I've never checked...)
How old is the tank? How long are the Alternantheras in the tank? How long are the other plants we can see on pic 1 in the tank?
(It may be that Alternantheras are sensitive to glutaraldehyde. I've never checked...)
I suspect they are, I’ve managed to melt some spot dosing some nearby anubias to remove BBA.
MichaelJ
Member
If he is doing 14 ml of Specialized every other day he would get 0.563 N/wk ... 30 times that would be an insane 17 ppm of N from NH4NO3 per week 🙂 ... but I see what you are saying... We definitely need more info about the tank!
Cheers,
Michael
Sorry, yeah, I was thinking Johns figures were NO3! 😆
nijat11
Member
Hello!
1. Size of tank in litres. - 800 liters + 200 liter sump
2. Age of the set - Running for 5 month
3. Filtration - Sump. 1 chamber 5 sponges and filter floss, other chamber seachem martix + bihome ultimate, all together around 32 kg. Return pump 6000 liters per hour.
4. Lighting and duration. Zetligh Lancia - 2; 10:00-12:00 10% power, 12:00-14:00 15% power, 14:00-22:00 90% power, 22:00-22:30 15% power, 22:30-23:00 10% power.
5. Substrate. ADA Amazon v2 and small gravel
6. Not dosing CO2, only liquid carbon every day 30 ml.
7. Fertilizers used & Ratios. Tropical Special - 14 ml one day, Another Day Tropica Premium - 14 ml
8. Water change regime and type. Usually once in 10-14 days around 30%.
9. Plant list + When planted. Multiple Echninodoruses, Multiple crypts, anubiases, java ferns, java moss, ludwiga, rotala. Most of them planted 4 months ago, some has been planted recently.
10. Drop Checker. None.
11. Inhabitants. 12 Angel fish, 20 rummy nose teta, 15 kardinal tetra, 10 black neon tetra, 10 colombian tetra, 2 ancisturses, 10 corydora sterbais, 5 corydora pandas, 1 L340, 6 German blue rams.
12. Full tank image attached.
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nijat11
Member
Hi!
Well to be honest I dont follow exact schedule with Specialized, sometimes it could be 2 times per week, sometimes 3, Most I do Premium. But in average Special goes 2 times per week. Regarding the water parameter I do week drop tests.
Ammonia - 0
Nitrite - 0
Nitrate keeps around 20-30 ppm.
PH 7.8
gH - 8
kH -12.
nijat11
Member
Alterneathera on 1 picture has been planted around 4 months ago, The echinodoruses on the first photo around 2 monthes.
nijat11
Member
If glut is liquid carbon, I dose 30 ml per day.
MichaelJ
Member
Definitely way too low on fertilizer for such a hard water, high pH tank. To make it more economical with such a big tank, I would switch to dry salts for NPK and a good trace blend using chelates that works with high pH.
The tank looks awesome btw. Love the angels!
Cheers,
Michael
nijat11
Member
_Maq_
Member
While looking at the pics, I suggest otherwise: Give up the Alternantheras, don't change anything, and enjoy otherwise healthy looking tank.
Alternantheras are not very demanding plants, yet still less hardy than the others you have. If you are interested in more demanding plants, then your water parameters are generally unsuitable for most of them. So, either stick to hardy species, or get another source of water - probably reverse osmosis. (Frankly, your choice of fishes would welcome it, too.)
Alternantheras are not very demanding plants, yet still less hardy than the others you have. If you are interested in more demanding plants, then your water parameters are generally unsuitable for most of them. So, either stick to hardy species, or get another source of water - probably reverse osmosis. (Frankly, your choice of fishes would welcome it, too.)
nijat11
Member
Yeap the same tank, but someone eat those bucies, because I find floating leaves with bites.
What could you suggest to fix this deficiency? Increase fertilazer dosage?
plantnoobdude
Member
Althernanthera is a picky plant. Honestly your crypts and echinodorus are doing fine so I'd keep those. Scrap the althernanthera and if you still want a red/pink plant get some crypt flamingo.
nijat11
Member
I have some crypt flamingos and they doing really great, I will make photos tomorrow. Also have Ludwiga Red and seems growing really good. Recently planted rotala rotundifolia and hope it also will grow.
plantnoobdude
Member
Focus on plants that you can grow and not the ones you can't 👍you've got lots of real estate so try all the plants you can get your hands on!
