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I'm pretty sure they have these in my local shop. i'll check the price point but feel it will quickly escalate :) Grobeam's always put me off as most of the TMC range seems to have been hit with an unnecessary plastic ugly stick (with the exception of the aquabars RIP) I've read a bit about...

I got a current USA planted+ pro instead of a finnex when researching for my 90cm as id read about the issues and hot running. I could possibly look back that way. but i'm suffering a bit from light distribution on that tank with the single strip source being on top of the tank rather then a...

Hey hey, The eternal question once more. What light unit for another 60cm in the house? Currently i'm running two sets of Aquabars (one white one colour) on the other two but now I've found out that TMC are no longer making Aquabars and the supply around the place seems to be drying up I'm...

Nice. completely missed it in the search. It does look lovely. :)

Thanks for the replies guys. still pondering. Two of the cubes are suffering a bit with too higher light plants in with the eheim PowerLED's. The dwarf puffer tank has been set up as low light/hybrid and is doing great (journal starting some time soon).

I'm looking at it as a replacement/slight upgrade to the eheim power LED's i use on my 30cm cubes. From the PAR readings it doesnt really look like a great mid to high light lamp as the photos of the scapes they are using to advertise it indicate. Although they possibly could be more shallow...

Hi, I'd actually dismissed this lamp after skim reading else where it wasn't up to much. But i'm seeing more advertising with it over what I would call higher energy scapes. Not seeing much discussion here on it. Anyone using one? Impressions? Found some tech details on The Aquatic Plant...

the coverage seems to be very uniform PAR wise across the base. i've yet to check it vs how far up the back wall of the tank it covers. pretty good from what i can remember, well i dont remember noticing :). better then the definite bar of shade that my twin aquabars leave on the 60cm while well...

Sorry for my very late reply been tied up with working at a festival event (steampunk vikings). ive not played with the unit very much but so far i'm very impressed. build and finish is excellent although its existing mounting legs are a tiny fraction too long for my 90cm (i went with the...

i just got a plus pro. very happy with it. the plus is about the same as a single t5 (approx) the pro is the better unit. read my thread for more details if you have not already. :)

I've also got to have glass covers to avoid jumping fish but also to minimise heat loss in the colder end of the house. I tend to use a combination of ada hooks (massively overpriced bends of metal) and tempered glass from a glazer (i had a cat which liked jumping onto them). that allowed me to...

yup thats where i saw the reference. :) then looked around online for more info not finding much. i was considering the same, swapping out one of the whites in each of my tanks with them on. ive got a couple of new ones to set up so i can move the spare ones onto them.

I ordered mine from an ebay seller after asking dr fosters for a international shipping quote as their base price was the same. they came back with an additional $340 dollars for 3 days UPS as their only option!! The ebay listing with shipping and taxes came to around $300 dollars. make sure...

Hi, Do we have any more details on this product yet? I've seen Ian H's video on the colour rendition (no info thou) and some listings on sale sites but the actual spec re: spectrum and LED's used is somewhat lacking. Nothing on TMC's site. Am I to believe this is a similar model to their...

i use aquabars a lot but am currently, eagerly awaiting my current usa satalitte + pro. :)

Plus Pro bought and arriving in 10 - 20 days (touch wood).

TMC got a lot of flack for the failure rate of their original led units, so much so that a lot of shops wont even touch them now. they did respond with longer warranties on their products and taking stuff back that was past the original year too. i do believe their products are better now but...

have you contacted tmc or just the seller?

I've already fired Current USA a stream of questions :)

Looking good. :) This has led me onto the Ecoxotic E Series - http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/showthread.php?t=877474 "Nice post... One defining difference between the E seriesand the Sat+ Prothat you missed: If you look at the spectrum graphs in the "complete specification" sheet of...

Found a new one. http://current-usa.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Satellite-Plus-Pro-Sales-Sheet.pdf http://current-usa.com/aquarium-led-lights/satellite-led-fixtures/satellite-led-pro/ Fully adjustable with plenty of red...

i think the plants absorb efficiently for about 8 hours a day then it drops off, hence why people recommend 8 to 10 hours. if your plants are happy and growing well under the current intensity with little or no algae currently a little increase in the duration to 8 hours isn't going to hurt in...

I keep finding more... Anyone use a Finnex planted+ 24/7? http://www.finnex.net/index.php/plantedautomated/?___store=default These guys are sponsors on planted tank and supply all spectrum and par info on their own products (on the planted tank sponsor forum section). just not available in...

Looking for more info on them but can't find much on the manufacturers website. After reading Troi's thread on the XR15 i'm now seeking spectrums of the light outputs for the different LED units too. The Red/Blue light reading was very interesting and if it's a case of the Arcadia being more...

yup same. i still cant workout, other than for aesthetics and that the statement tom makes elsewhere that different aquatic plants will require different amounts of the spectrum, that having A LOT of the blue end of the spectrum will lead to higher plant growth for most of the plants since their...

still reading. all ive found so far are tom's preferences to make his red plants pop under redder light. side point i've also been doing a fair amount of research into cynobacteria since i was at a world water conference the other week. research points to cyno using the green, yellow and...

Cheers, Reading through now but I still feel I'm missing a chunk of back science from Tom. He's repeatedly asserting that plants need 10 - 20% ish blue and 60 to 70% red for best growth but when i look at the way plants absorb light i see the opposite. I'll keep reading back Tom posts...

re:aquabars - one would be about a single T5+ and wouldn't break the bank. I was lazy and didn't want to buy the extra mounts so just stuck mine on top of the tank (got a glass lid to keep the old cat out). 2 on this tank (first link in sig)

hiya, as both Troi and Iain both know i'm musing over which LED for my 90cm new setup and thinking of the aqualantis units which also have lower red spectrum output. I've missed Tom's comments about his thoughts on the need for more red output for freshwater aquatic plants. Can you cross link...

the arcadia looked a little pink too, although i'm aware you could fiddle with the settings. but i hear it's vastly complicated. a video of the aquatlantis on a new tank here.

i've not bought anything yet but am leaning towards the Aquatlantis duo set up. After reading a fair bit about the Arcadia, its light rendition, the light spill (important for this living room tank) and chatting to the LFS about the number of units they have had to replace (although obviously...

hmm i put a par meter on one of these and if i remember rightly (adjusting a touch for the sensor drop off) the reading was about the same as a T8 bulb if not a touch more. it was a "bringing the meter down to the shop" test but I do have a distinct memory that the comparison to the tmc aquabar...

i'm off to play with the OTL and a par meter now to see if i can be bothered with the spread and suspension etc. the expensive part of the potential aquatlantis double rig would be the extra addition of the dimmer, splitter and bigger power supply which would be needed just based on the lum...

£350 for two 895mm units, dimmer, y spitter, bigger 5A power supply. £290 for the 820mm arcadia classica OTL freshwater LED (including suspension kit not inc above) humph

yeah the more i've read about them they do seem an excellent suggestion. am going to go with them i think. just cross referencing the total cost and weighing it up against the arcadia otl led... edit.. from a video ive watched the 895mm model looks to sit rather well on a 90p so i think ill go...

two of these? http://www.co2art.co.uk/products/pro-led-light-u-series-p-90cm ... additional reading and watching videos on the aqualantis light show me one dimmer can be used for two fixtures with an extension splitter.

it does seem people (me included) are really struggling to find decent solid info on the new ranges of LED's. I've actually tested with a PAR meter the more budget options of the Arcadia Stretch and the TMC aquabars. Basically each was approx to a t8/t5 respectively. this aquatlantis light...

so id still need two of them thou for medium/higher light.... much cheaper on amazon :)

thanks for the speedy response. good price. new one on me. you used these? user reports & PAR etc?

Hiya, Still pondering which light unit to use on my new edgeline 90cm. anyone got some recommendations for 90cm ballasts? Looking for that balance of performance with a sensible cost. Cheers, John

i'll get me coat. :)

Hi Folks, I'm looking for LED's for my lovely new Clearseal Edgeline 90cm and since it's going to be in the colder end of the house (I'm also 200m up in the highlands) I figured that a glass lid will be needed to minimise heat loss. Thinking about this more and looking at the lighting part of...

I've updated my old 70L DIY ADA journal for you with the photos from the final months. It was all around 10 - 25 PAR so will give you some ideas.... Low light funtimes. :) link in my sig.

id stick with everything marked low light to start. especially crypts and root feeders if you are doing a soil substrate. then experiment with slightly higher light additions and see what you can get away with. low light tanks are a joy when they grow in. so little maintenance compared to the...

what are you aiming to grow? and are you aiming to add more high tech stuff like CO2? you could always add a second unit to it and that should bring you up to solid medium light. otherwise i'd try and go with the lower light mosses and crypts for an easy to run low maintenance scape. when i...

i'm not an expert in these lights i'm afraid, just doing a fair bit of reading right now on these budget LED types. I'd go as far as saying two would probably sit at medium - low light on a tank and would be a nice set up. With one I guess it would work well for a lower light, crypt, moss set...

edit - reread what you posted. if you have just received the light then send it back and get the 23w version. if you can repackage it successfully.

From what I hear and have read one Stretch will be lowish light.

Has anyone done any PAR readings for a single Aquabar? I have an old TMC growbeam and am looking to add a little to it cheaply. I'm going to take a par reading on the classic stretch later in the week in a LFS but have only just come across these aquabars. They look good. Also thanks to...

pm sent last night. cheers for the tip. :)

Yes they are..... ;)

Interesting. But i'm going for wooden, natural look on these nanos. Just finishing applying danish oil to the cabinets just now.

Are we talking more expensive then the Eheim light? Remember i'm needing 3..... :)

That is freaking beautiful..... what level of light do you think it is giving you? how much did it cost and where from?

What kinda light levels do they produce? mediumish?

ok i must have clicked the wrong links i was seeing much more expensive. I'd prefer to buy something factory produced. I want to make this look as professional as possible, yet not blow the budget. Yes it would be cheap but i'm already veto'ing the TMC through asthetics. Why spend all my time...

they are MORE expensive then the eheim ones :) Have no one reviewed or tried the two i just posted? Since i'm looking to get three it's either going to be 3x£30ish or 3x£65. Big difference to my end wallet.

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For the £5 difference i'd prefer the Eheim. Still thou, nothing cheaper about yet?

it's all so ugly thou :)

I was going to say they looked a bit expensive but i'm finding models for around £70 which is upper end of what I would like to pay but interesting. I had ruled out Eheim. Would one grow most stuff you think?

Hi, I've kept checking now and again on this area of the forum for good LED lights (cheapish) for a 30cm cube project but not seeing any decent leads.... Can anyone pint me in the right direction? I'm doing three tanks so it has to be with a budget in mind. Lights that have been proven good...

Hi, I'm currently setting up a tank for a public place where I want to add moonlights for optimal viewing time, while reducing the photo period to something sane. Any suggestions on moonlights for cheap? (prebuilt) I see the LED strips on ebay but I keep reading stuff about them failing...

:) looking back at the original post thou, this looks like something which will be able to be retrofitted into existing ballasts and be brighter then T5s and LED's, and more importantly be cheaper to run and replace. Winning on all fronts.

Bloody hell. I actually started my fishkeeping forum life on a US general forum and I do remember the obsession with bucket loads of light very well. i'm a two times t5 man but I also love LED's, this new report sounds exceedingly interesting thou....

disaster might be a bit strong :) see my pur vs par discussion thread for details. i was just disappointed by the drop in performance from my year old ones to the new special plant bulbs (but cheap).

after my disaster of buying rubbish cheap plant T5 bulbs of late I welcome news like this.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20553143

Partly that is the problem. I actually like the colour they put out. It's very natural. They just are not as powerful, both on the PAR meter and through the naked eye. They look dim. I see what you are saying thou. I can easily work with them, I just object to being fed BS when all they...

That is just lovely. I'll adjust the outputs of the spray bars to give the glosso more flow accordingly. :)

Just what I thought. I'm almost more peeved that they tried to fob me off with the email they did. Half of the paragraphs don't even make that much sense. The tank actually looks dull too. When I've sorted my work for the day I'm going to ask for my money back. Thanks for the replies...

:) the gist of the explanations of PAR vs PUR have actually been done very well by Tom et al in this thread.... http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/showt ... hp?t=78632 it's not that i'm asking about specifically now. it's more an enquiry that since these threads were over a few years old if...

Oh indeed. It was sitting happily on bout 45 PAR to 35 PAR in places.... now 35 to lower which I think will be creeping into too low..... I took the reflectors off about 6 months ago as I was over 55 PAR and it was not needed.

Hi, I'm in a discussion with a well know budget bulb supplier (i won't mention the name out of politeness) about some T5's i got the other day. They were noticeably dimmer to the naked eye so I decided to get my PAR meter out and do a little testing.... They are coming out 15% less PAR then my...

:) If you do assure them i'll be buying more as I love the colour. Way better then the Dennerle ones which in many ways resembled a street light.

They look very different from my dennerle ones that came in around 3500k. I've got a feeling they are around 6500k but id just like to match them for future bulb buying...

Hi, For reference, does anyone know the colour temperature of iQuantics t5 bulbs? I really like them but can't find it listed anywhere. Thanks, John

i think they would be a little too good. i'm trying NOT to grow stuff remember :)

Hi, So kind of the opposite of what people are usually asking about here. I'm looking to upgrade/downgrade the lighting of a tank that will not be planted (anubias at a stretch). With a high bioload i'm trying to minimise the algae by minimising the lighting. But i'd like to still keep it...

It might be better/cheaper to hang it from higher above the tank. Best Regards, John

I'm really interested in the price points of both these products. Especially the nano TMC light. Someone elsewhere wrote the RRP might be around £39 but i'll hold my breath on that one.

edit *have just seen i did a error in the original post. i meant to write juwel but did fluval by accident.* the tank ive got has a t8 ballast im upgrading. in preference i don't want an open top. the hi-lite ballast IS the juwel t5 bar but is a wierd size 45w bulb that up until about 10...

double answered my own question iquantics are doing a cheap 45w t5 bulb :) http://www.iquaticsonline.co.uk/index.p ... &TreeId=12

i may have answered my own question. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Arcadia-i-Bar-AI4 ... 243wt_1139 :)

Hi, I'm currently trying to refit a rio 180 and am having no joy with this fluval*see below* 100cm 2x45w t5 ballast i've bought. The second replacement has arrived and still does not work. Bulbs flick on for a second then out again. I am now thinking it might be the very expensive fluval bulbs...

oddly enough on a kind of related topic, i got two dennerle 24w t5 bulbs that i ordered in at my LFS a while ago and forgot about. I wanted the amazon ones but he seems to have got me the "special plant" type which have a 3000k spectrum. I took them home to try anyway. first impression...

Further pondering, http://www.cheapenergysavinglightbulbs.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=27_30_24_40&products_id=426 There are a massive range of desklamps with GU10 halogen fittings with an ever expanding range of LED bulbs for them. These bulbs tend to be about 4w's but you can happily get...

Hi, Just saw in another thread a link to this - http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/20128738 Anyone have any experience using this cheap as chips low light LED lamp or similar DIY shop versions on tanks? I'm wanting to make my 10L low maintenance, low light plants so think going down...

cheers Garuf. wonder why i wanted these :)

Hi, I'm ponding on what to replace my 9w arc pods with and can't find any alternatives in the shops. ebay has some 11w things on flexible arms but i'm sure there are some cheap fittings similar to the dennerle one that broke on me out there. A nice ADA knock off possibly. :D Anyone got any...

Hi, Any review on these 11w lights? I'm thinking of picking some up. Thanks, John

Hi, Has anyone reviewed these bulbs yet? I read and have been told they have long life without intensity reduction saving constant replacement (i currently use arcadia t5 plant bulbs). Is this true or just marketing? What about the colour spectrum? is it similar to the nano lights (amazon...