Need to dose ferts? if so what and how much?

Juwel Rio 125 with mature filter, 2x 24 watts T8 (one Daylight, one Triton +)
Livestock - 6 Bleeding Heart Tetras (4 socolofi, 2 Erythrostigma) 7 Blue Emperors + 1 Purple Emperor, 2 Amano Shrimp, 2 Bronze Corys - currently in the 2ft, plants need to settle in and root properly.

The deed is done and my tank has now been planted up 🙂 fish were in after about 2 hours and are fine

1" of Levingtons John Innes No1 - aired out for 24 hours and turned regularly.
1 1/2" of Cat Litter soaked for a week to remove excess hardness - will be writing about this on substrate forum.

Managed to save 3/4 of the tank water and loads of mulm from under the old substrate which I then put into the new soil + substrate. Most of the plants had been living in the tank, the rest had been in there for about 3 weeks in their pots waiting and growing.

Couldn't plant more than every inch as it was disturbing the plants already in the substrate.
Plants in substrate:-
Vallis, twisted and nana
Large leaved Hygro,
Small leaved Hygro - red veined
Echinodorus - like osiris but not mottled, new leaves dark red, older green with red veins.
Echinodorus - can't remember but short growing rounded leaves,
Crypts Wentii
Crypts Parvula
Lilaeopsis
Mayaca - not sure which one
Limnophila Aromatica (I hope, was given it at MA as it was melting in the pot but the tops are fine and rooting, just waiting to find out if the leaf-form changes to less 'firm')

On bogwood :-
Java Fern, Java Moss


Do I need to fertilise from the outset? or do I wait a while. I want to keep this tank 'low tech' and not add CO2 but want enough growth to keep algae at bay 😉

Some photos - will take another one later to show how clear the water is at 24hrs 🙂

Waiting for me to get started - note the vile black and multi gravel!


1 Hour after rescape, can't see the large leaved Hygro yet - It's behind the bogwood and needs to grow!


2 Hours later and the fish are in.

Thanks for that 🙂

The tank looks really bare to me at the moment, I'm not used to seeing so few plants LOL Right now I prefer the first photo

I did El natural last year without realising it. The Water company were changing the pipes and all fish keepers were advised not to do any water changes until they'd finished. At the time I had a lovely planted tank, but over time some of the plants died back and others took over. I fed the fish minimally, which probably didn't help. Then this year I did a water change thinking it would help and ended up with BGA That's how I found this forum, reading on the net ways to get rid. It was radical for me but adding plant food 3 times a week and changing the direction of flow made a HUGE difference 😀

Reading Tom Barr, I think I'm more inclined towards the second level - Excel Planted Tank. Simply because I'd like to see these plants get established and I had to put new water in the tank - about a 1/4. I'm thinking that once I have a lush growth, maybe then easing back on the excel (or AE version) until I've stopped it.

I'm NOT going to become a CO2 addict. I'm NOT going to become a CO2 addict. I'm NOT going to become a CO2 addict.

ETA Just took tihis, couldn't do one last night the camera batteries needed charging. The photo looks 'burnt out' compared to the tank, the substrate isn't really as light and the plants have much deeper colour :?

When you had your BGA it would have been better to have increased feeding or ferts and perhaps thinned out some of the faster growing plants.

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Yep that's what I did, pruned the fastest growing largest plants and started feeding the plants - and upped the fish rations too 🙂 It went against everything I had learned, but it WORKED! and looking back 25 years, I had undergravel filter with an air pump! plain gravel, masses of live plants growing madly, high fish load, heavy feeding, one grolux tube, small infrequent water changes and never thought about nitrates which were probably quite high. And NO algae! Never saw the dreaded Blue Green until I started following the 'latest' in fish culture (low nitrates, low phosphates etc.) a few years ago

My Bleeding Heart Tetras are feeling very put out at the moment, the plants are there but they aren't high enough and they are a bit 'exposed' LOL

Going to order some AE liquid carbon and some dry ferts, with this tank, the 71L, the 15L and the 11L - all planted, I may as well make up my own - it'll be cheaper in the long run 😀

I can't say I will never use CO2 again but if I did it would be on the basis that I did first time round (to support steady growth

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😀 Right there with you 😀

Have now got AE Aqua Carbon 🙂 planning a 'soft start' with half doses and then a minimum dose depending on plant growth. Don't want a tank full of Triffids, just nice steady growth and no Algae and don't want to lose any fish - the average age is five years 🙂

Also now have Potassium Nitrate, Potassium Phosphate, Trace elements, Magnesium sulphate (somehow asking the Chemist for Epsom Salts produced a less worried expression, heaven forfend that I should know the real name ) and am still trying to find Ascorbic Acid. Anyone would think I was trying to find something really BAD!!! Thought Vit C tabs would be fine but they are all the chewable kind or with Zinc 🙁 Will have to get me to a Brewers Shop
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And there was me thinking that James' All-in-One Solution would be dead easy to make

Some updates.

Mid-august and growth is noticeable. I also have found a name for the scape "Where the Dragon Sleeps" which is appropriate for a Welsh 'scape 😀 See if you can spot the Dragon



7th of September and growth is steady, have been dosing AE liquid carb and TPN+, but despite this the dreaded Blue-Green algae is beginning to make an appearance, so the whole thing is currently wrapped in Black Plastic Bags for a 72 hour blackout - hope this works. (all dosing and feeding suspended) Awful blurry pic but shows how things are growing.



I've decided that the Bleeding Heart Tetras and Blue Emperor Tetras have got to go - they make the tank seem really small because they are relatively large, also the Bleeding Hearts behave like Piranhas, just hanging around waiting for the food frenzy while the Emperor Tetras zoom all over the tank like mad things. I feel both would fare better in larger tanks than mine. Besides I've fallen in lurve......





I have 13 waiting to go in and am currently looking for some females to join them 😀 I've never seen such nice Endlers and having wanted them for a very long time couldn't resist 😳

Arrrrggghhhh! they're all dead, went one or two a day and sometimes none, but all gone now they didn't even make it out of quarantine ! See fish forum

AWWW thanks guys 😳 Just got a little bit of algae to get rid of in the front on the gravel - I've reduced the lighting (removed the reflectors) and it seems to be working 🙂

The endlers never even got as far as the big tank, they were in a little planted one 🙁 From asking around I think it was the fish, my water is the same as many people breed them in 🙄

Not going to give up, but I'll try to find someone local who breeds them 😉